E3: The What, Why and How regarding Custom & Aftermarket Putter Shafts

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Hey everybody, thank you so much for tuning in to episode three of Fitter Builder Player.

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My name is Matt Wainwright.

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I run my so-called golf life on Instagram, also part of the Chasing Daylight podcast, where you're finding this at With me, as always, three episodes in.

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Is, mr Roars, how you doing today, sir?

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Just fine, living the dream.

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How's the weather treating you down there in sunny Florida?

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We had some sunshine today.

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Hadn't been sunny Florida as of late Been raining just about every day.

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But I flew into St Louis, went to a wedding with Jenna in Illinois and the humidity was much lower.

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The trees had turned colors, so I wouldn't.

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I wasn't super excited to get back to 85 with 90 humidity, but here I am yeah, we're we fall has finally arrived in vegas.

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Yeah, it's, it's chilly now.

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Uh, hoodie weather is here and uh, it's nice.

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It's nice, the heat's gone finally.

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You're gonna have to get you a sheriff hoodie, yeah absolutely, absolutely uh.

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So you ran a poll on your ig page the other day, uh, asking people what they wanted to hear about on our next episode, and uh, overwhelmingly came back with the uh custom putters, aftermarket putters and this is a segment of the golf building playing fitting.

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I haven't done any putter fittings yet, so, uh, that I I love.

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I have played several different aftermarket custom putter shafts.

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I rolled the BGT stability shafts for a while.

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I've played the new UST all-in stuff.

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I've tried all three of their variants and I currently play the LA Golf P Series.

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Actually, I have the Soho Series on a Scotty Cameron.

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I had to modify the neck on my Scotty a little bit to get it to fit perfectly.

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But yeah that and I know you're probably frowning at me for doing that to your butter but it works.

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I'm rolling a great, absolutely loving it.

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But, uh, I was surprising to me.

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There are a lot of people that don't even know that there is a aftermarket custom putter shaft segment out there.

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Uh, mike, one of our friends from beautiful golf courses, he was like what are you talking about?

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And I'm like, are you serious?

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Because you've seen me putt bro, you think I'm gonna be searching for something new.

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I'm horrible at it.

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So I like, uh, I said, well, you know there are quite a few.

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So for a little research homework today I hopped online and looked to see how many different ones that I could find.

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Now there are probably some more out there that we're not aware of.

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Roars deals with a lot of these.

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So pretty much this is what is out there.

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Kbs has three different versions.

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They got the CT Tour tour.

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They have a graphite version of that.

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And then they have the kbs tour stepped, which is a black, heavier shaft.

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Uh, more common to what you see with the chrome stepped shafts in putters.

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Uh, aerotech steel fiber.

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They have a putter shaft.

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They have the steel fiber irons that were have been popular you know probably what going on almost about eight, nine years now when it's been a little while yeah, they.

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They became very popular on the lpga tour.

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Actually, a lot of lpga players are still playing them.

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Matt kuchar started playing steel fibers and that's what I think got them a lot of recognition.

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Uh, ust, mumia, like I.

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They have three different variations.

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They have something that's similar to the Stroke Lab, where it's got a steel base with a graphite mid and butt section that's used to adapt to different putter configurations and they have an all-graphite.

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And then they have a different variant of the all graphite.

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Um, a retro fit.

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They have it.

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Uh, bgt.

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Uh, breakthrough golf technology.

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Blair, we've had him on the chasing day, that podcast.

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Brilliant mind really knows this stuff.

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Uh, they have the stability which has been around for several years.

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That's the two piece.

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Um, and I think they were probably the innovators for the putter shafts taking off, wouldn't you say?

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I'd say that they were early and they were the first, I would say, to have something worth talking about.

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Yeah, the UST originally had they called it the frequency shaft and it was.

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It looked like what BGT has, but BGT is a two piece, the frequency was a one piece.

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And then they recently which I feel I haven't spoken with with Blair about this personally, but I feel to compete with LA golf and US team of Mia, they did uh, all graph by one piece, uh, shaft um, that you know it's, it's not two pieces, it is one piece.

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To uh have a little bit more competitive.

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Uh, I guess, uh, uh, stable of of shafts.

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Um, I guess, stable of shafts.

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They do all kinds of different colors and themes for their two-piece, but the one-piece is also new for them.

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Then LA Golf, they have two different variations.

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They've got the P-Series and they have the Soho.

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The Soho is over the hosel, the P-Series is what you find.

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You can use those in center shafted or, uh, plumbers necks Um.

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The Mitsubishi MMT putter concept that's another one that's out there.

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Uh, nippon has an NS pro.

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I'm familiar with that one, cause Dan was playing with it in one of his putters.

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Uh, I've never heard of this company founded on tour.

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Spec Is a bazillion, bazillionius.

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Do you know that one?

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I'm out of it.

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You know of it yeah, I haven't put it on the quintic or anything like that uh, they have one called the pt01dg.

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Uh fuji kura has one called the mc and acura has one they call the fxp, and it goes 100, 200, 300, 400 depending on stiffness.

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So there's quite a few options.

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And then you got your standard stock shafts that come with off the rack stuff.

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Stroke lab is what uh callaway uses.

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There's a couple different variants of that.

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They've gone to a straight model that to make it not look like a two Um.

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So a lot of options out there.

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And the the biggest question that people ask me is when, when they see I play LA GP, how does it feel?

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First question how does it feel?

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How does it feel?

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And putting is it's a feel part of the sport.

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Nothing, I mean, you could take a buttery blade and you peer it and it feels incredible.

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But with a putter you feel it over and over and over again every single time.

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It's not just those great pure strikes.

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So it's a feel thing, right, Wouldn't you say?

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Putting is a feel thing.

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Yeah, putting very much is a feel thing.

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I mean it's mostly between the ears, and what's between the ears is your brain, and your brain is what controls your senses, um, so so yeah, I mean from you know you can get into the sensory discussion of of audible differences too, that you know deep milling versus shallow milling.

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It doesn't the metal's not softer, it's a.

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You know, if you had headphones in, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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It's the same thing with the shaft, you know, and the feedback and and you know, to each their own.

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Some people want the feedback, some people don't, so there's an aftermarket shaft for all of those applications.

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Yeah, the the feel is a weird because Joe is currently hitting greens.

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Other member of the podcast station, taste and daylight podcast.

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He puts with one of your putters and he has a BGT on it and he's had it on there for years and he absolutely loves the way that shaft feels with that putter head.

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He's tried the LA GP and he he says it feels bouncy and and that's what's.

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That's what fitters get to deal with.

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Is people describing a putter shaft as it's bouncy?

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I don't understand where he's coming from with that, but he just feels that it's not as stable as the breakthrough golf technology one.

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So for some players, stability is a key factor in how it creates feel.

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The LAGP shafts I feel are incredibly stable, incredibly stiff and offer great feedback for what you're using them with BGT also incredibly stable.

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They've tested, tested and on their website you can see all the testing.

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As far as torque and deflection on a putt, there's is far, you know, way up there compared to if you're going against a stock shaft.

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Uh, I haven't.

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Well, we'll have to do a head-to-head with the same head with a bgt, an lagp and some of these other ones to see exactly what is going on.

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But yeah so I have, I have done some of that too what have you just?

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done just in the in the course of fitting.

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Um, I like to throw, you know I'll get, I'll order a popular head like a Jailbird or a Spider, some Newport-style answer heads.

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Get a duplicate and I'll throw an LAGP or Stability or All-In in the duplicate so folks can roll them side-by-side.

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Same length, same setup.

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Usually I'll swing, weight them to match as well.

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It's not just that difference.

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Not everybody has that option.

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Definitely not.

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I was going to say that in doing that I had a guy that I was using quick set epoxy and we were going between four different shafts at one point, and these things are the real deal.

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And that might be the biggest question everybody has.

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Is not?

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You know?

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I know you said that folks come to you at first and ask how it feels.

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But folks come to me as a master club fitter, they they want to know how it performs, um, and if it's worth it, if it's good for them, if it's good for a high handicapper, low handicapper, and you know my, my philosophy or my comeback to just about everything is it depends and with putter shafts, oh yeah, and with putter shafts it definitely depends.

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I mean, if you can't find the face, you're gonna, you know.

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I mean if you're, if you're three putt in every green, because you're leaving your first putt six, eight feet away from the hold and you know you may not see the greatest of benefits, you know, um, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have one, because if it gives you more feedback than a stock shaft, then the time you spend on the putting green might be better off, even if you aren't scaring the hole yet.

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Um, you know you're getting the feedback to work on the stroke, but, um, you know, the other thing is you could be, you could be a plus four handicap, but just aren't blessed with any good golf courses around.

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And if you're playing greens that resemble like they've been punched, you know you're playing Plinko when you putt, you know you're probably not going to reap the benefits either.

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I mean, you don't see anybody stand behind a putt and say man, did you see how fast that got the ball rolling?

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I was messing around cause, uh, I went from the jailbird back to the Scotty.

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Uh, scotty's a blade, it's got a lot of toe hang, um, and it's a Newport 1.5.

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If anybody's curious, uh, deep face milling, absolutely love the way it feels and the way it rolls.

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Um, but I was struggling with my putting stroke.

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It wasn't the putter shaft, it wasn't the putter head.

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Jailbird is a phenomenal head and it feels absolutely incredible.

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But my putting stroke wasn't jiving with the jailbird.

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I was leaving pushing things a lot to the right and and I I need something that closes a little bit more as it's coming through impact and, uh, while I did roll the jailbird very well, lag putting with it was amazing and 15, 20 feet was really good, but I was missing short putts and, uh, my feel for putting kind of got numb because, because that putter head rolls the ball so well, you kind of can get away with mishits, uh, because it's it's so forgiving, and so I got kind of lackadaisical on those short putts, started chatting with I think, that was coming.

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You think that was coming?

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Yeah, I knew that was coming Like.

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I was like oh, I bet he got lazy.

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Yeah, I totally got lazy with it Because it's like, oh, I don't need to focus on my stroke path and everything, because the jailbird does everything for you.

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That's one of my big gripes with the lab stuff is, you know, oh, it doesn't matter where you hit it, it's just gonna go in the hole and it's like, well, not really, but uh, okay, if that's what you want to talk about.

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Uh, so when I I started chatting with preston putting which I highly recommend if anybody's not following him, go check out his his uh instagram page.

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Uh, get download his free uh book.

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Uh, brilliant, brilliant mind when it comes to the putting, and it has changed my putting, uh work, working his strategies and his techniques for prepping.

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It has changed the way I put.

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But I realized, you know, my stroke was off and it needed, it needed some assistance.

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So I I got my stroke dialed, rolling the scotty very freaking well, and I I said, oh shit, you know what if this stroke I have right now can bring the chasing daylight putter out of retirement and and and earn a spot back in the bag.

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It's absolutely love the putter.

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Absolutely love the putter, just haven't putted well with it.

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Well, now I'm realizing I I had a really shitty stroke.

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Uh, that wasn't great.

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So, uh, I didn't have an extra lagp laying around.

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I I have quite a few putter shafts, but I didn't have one that was the right length that I wanted.

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So I said what the hell, I'll just take a stock putter shaft off out of my supply and throw it on there.

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And, oh, my god, roars, that is not wise after you've been putting with something that gives you such tremendous feel and feedback.

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Going to a you know four dollar putter shaft.

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Doesn't matter how great the head is, it feels like garbage.

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And I could not believe it.

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And so I was like wait a minute, let me, there's no way.

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I go get the scotty, go roll it.

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And it's like, wow, night and day, go grab the chase and daylight putter, go put it on.

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Holy crap, this feels like it was pulled off the kmart end cap you know, it's just horrible.

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So, um, maybe that's the bouncy thing joe's talking about.

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I don't know um, but it, it has, you do sound like joe, you sound like him talking about golf courses.

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You know, once you've played Bethpage.

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Once you've played Bethpage you know you're going to go.

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Every other muni in the country is just yeah, oh, bougie Joe, but I that kind of made me, you know.

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Yeah, these have benefits, these have meaning.

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There's a reason why players should at least try them.

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Now, if you're rolling a old blade, wilson, what are they?

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8802?

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And yeah, you've got a old shaft in that and your chamois grip is falling off as you putt and you hold everything, god bless, you go for it, you know.

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But, um, if, if you're struggling with some consistency, you're struggling with your, your lag pattern, uh, and, and you want to, you know, see if the, the shafts are out there that can help try it out, try it out.

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I would recommend finding a used bin, seeing if you can find one.

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I know pga superstore has a ton of used shafts.

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Don't know how many putter shafts they have in there.

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But other than that, go to ebay and even if you don't like the putter, find a shaft.

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How about if you have a friend that has one?

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Try it out, get some different feels and see what you think.

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Well, another recommendation along those lines that I would give is, if you're just wanting to tinker, you know you could find one of the more economical ones.

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You know, like the all-in putter shaft is what?

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$100, I think.

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Yeah, I wrote down all the prices.

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So the KBS stuff is $55.

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This is retail prices that I found online.

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Don't hold me to these.

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I just did a google search and shop.

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I wasn't trying to look for any special deals or anything.

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This is just, if I was somebody, that I typed in custom putter shafts and clicked on the shop section and and that's where I got this information from.

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So, uh, the aerotech steel fibers go for 60 bucks.

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The ust mamiyas are 100.

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Bgt stability both versions sell for 329.

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The lagps sell for 399, which was the highest price one on the list.

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The mitsubishi mmts go for 120.

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The nippon ms pro is 75 bazillion.

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Is I gotta say bazus?

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I gotta figure out how to say that uh is the second highest at uh or third at 324.

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Uh, fuji kura is 250 and the acura is 150.

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So there's a couple options out there.

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The kbs tour you're not going to get the benefits that the, the all carbon ones, have.

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Um in the higher price range.

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There are those higher prices for a reason there there's a lot of tech and a lot of yeah, oh yeah, and you know so.

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But if you just want to get your feet wet, you know you can get one of the more economical ones and see if it moves the needle at all for you, and if it does, then maybe you explore a good putter shaft fitting and um, and if nothing else, you know, just tinker on your own, go to the golf shop.

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Go to the golf store and see what's they got on the show.

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I know, uh, some companies are have options for ust as an option.

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They may have some on the shelves.

00:19:38.470 --> 00:19:41.021
Um, you were recently at ping.

00:19:41.021 --> 00:19:42.965
Is ping doing anything special with shafts?

00:19:42.965 --> 00:19:44.911
Are they still sticking with the Benz and steel?

00:19:51.220 --> 00:20:02.971
Well, as far as I know, they're sticking with steel and the conversations I had when I was at headquarters out in Phoenix this summer they were kind of sticking to that story of you know, the techs in the head.

00:20:02.971 --> 00:20:08.990
Yeah, so Ping hadn't been, they hadn't.

00:20:08.990 --> 00:20:13.346
Well, I mean even Scotty Cameron, they're shipping every single one out with with a steel shaft.

00:20:13.607 --> 00:20:13.890
Yeah.

00:20:14.090 --> 00:20:23.762
Yeah, everybody's, everybody's pushing, pushing stock with the, with the exception of like lab um la golf, obviously.

00:20:24.065 --> 00:20:45.666
yeah, they, their putters come with the shaft, so it's that's kind of like a but I mean, if you think about, they sell their shafts for 400, their putters are 650 so yeah, go buy one of their putters and then and try the shaft and if you don't, and if you like it, then sell the head with a mouse in it uh, yeah, do that.

00:20:46.488 --> 00:20:47.048
There's options.

00:20:47.048 --> 00:20:48.230
There's options for you to try them.

00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:50.315
So, uh, find, find, and we don't.

00:20:50.315 --> 00:20:53.289
We're working on enhancing our putter fittings.

00:20:53.289 --> 00:21:00.750
We have a new facility at dragon ridge is getting remodeled, that we're going to have a place there where you can come and get fit.

00:21:00.750 --> 00:21:05.048
Uh, right now, callaway, here in vegas, at top golf, they have the sand putt lab.

00:21:05.048 --> 00:21:11.925
There you can go um and and check it out there with some of the the odyssey putters that we have.

00:21:11.925 --> 00:21:15.491
Um, so what if?

00:21:15.491 --> 00:21:23.191
If someone came to you in in the bay, uh, at the bay, in the bay, at the bay and said the bays.

00:21:23.731 --> 00:21:24.071
The bays.

00:21:24.071 --> 00:21:25.555
Oh yeah, get your hat the bays.

00:21:25.555 --> 00:21:28.261
We're not.

00:21:28.261 --> 00:21:30.730
Yeah, we're not recording it, so it doesn't matter.

00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:36.230
For those of you at home, my hat says the bays.

00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.027
The bays at Shell Bay.

00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:40.545
And on the back it says no excuses.

00:21:41.287 --> 00:21:42.872
Oh, I like that, I like that.

00:21:42.872 --> 00:21:50.930
So if someone says, hey, I want to try an aftermarket putter shaft, what's the first thing as a fitter, you're saying to them?

00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:58.250
Well, as the fitter, I guess the first thing I'm going to ask is why?

00:21:58.250 --> 00:22:04.146
Because, whether it's a putter fitting, wedge fitting, driver fitting, I want to know what they're trying to achieve.

00:22:04.146 --> 00:22:07.519
Um, because that's most, that's most important.

00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.909
You want to hopefully exceed their expectations.

00:22:10.909 --> 00:22:13.645
But you know, number one is is what are they?

00:22:13.645 --> 00:22:14.489
What are they looking for?

00:22:14.489 --> 00:22:31.170
Um, and most of them, most of the folks that come in and say I want to try this LA golf or what's the difference, and they're more curious, as they should be, why are some of the pros switching to these?

00:22:31.170 --> 00:22:33.607
Why are they so popular?

00:22:33.607 --> 00:22:37.521
Why, why, why, and yeah.

00:22:37.521 --> 00:22:48.425
So the first thing is I'm wanting to find out why they're here for a putter fitting, because you know you don't one putt every green and get fit for a putter, so something's got you.

00:22:51.141 --> 00:22:52.646
And then you know, just explain it.

00:22:52.646 --> 00:22:54.647
You know they reduce torque.

00:22:54.647 --> 00:22:58.990
You know the head's not going to twist as much on off-center putts.

00:22:58.990 --> 00:23:05.232
You know that extra stiff shaft on the long putts is not going to bend.

00:23:05.232 --> 00:23:09.488
You know I was looking at some stats.

00:23:09.488 --> 00:23:17.866
Even on tour, most people miss right on long, really long putts.

00:23:17.866 --> 00:23:23.224
You know, like 40 feet plus the big, the big giant laggers, cause they're putting.

00:23:23.224 --> 00:23:29.949
Putting a little bend in that shaft is leaving the face open, you know, um, and even the tour guys do that sometimes.

00:23:29.949 --> 00:23:34.064
So, um, you know, there's all that.

00:23:34.064 --> 00:23:40.968
You know the, the stiffness, um, you know less, less twist, you know just super stable.

00:23:40.968 --> 00:23:42.824
You know stability keeps coming up.

00:23:42.824 --> 00:23:55.088
Smart name BGT, yeah, and I guess the other thing is shoot, lost my train of thought, but cause it was.

00:23:55.401 --> 00:24:02.779
I think I was trying to save the best for last even, you know, oh, yeah, the best, the best for last is the data.

00:24:02.779 --> 00:24:10.462
You know I, I'm there, you go absolutely blessed, um, to have the opportunity to have the putting studio that I do with.

00:24:10.462 --> 00:24:14.691
You know, quintet coach and quintet ball roll and putt view.

00:24:14.691 --> 00:24:16.622
A lot of fun for drills and training.

00:24:16.622 --> 00:24:20.750
But but anyway, the, the data, um'm.

00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:29.442
You might've heard me say it, mentioned it earlier, but the big thing that really impresses me is these shafts do get the ball rolling faster.

00:24:29.442 --> 00:24:38.002
Um, you know whether you're missing it and it's the forgiveness that is playing to that, or or just the way it delivers.

00:24:38.002 --> 00:24:51.757
You know, changes the delivery of the head to the ball Most all of my putter fittings when we go to LAGP stability, all in not so much.

00:24:51.757 --> 00:25:02.913
The Fujikura's MC is good, but across the board I'm seeing lower launching, you know, and the ball's rolling faster.

00:25:03.073 --> 00:25:03.594
Rolling sooner.

00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:10.571
Yeah, rolling sooner, and if you're not lifting it as much, it's not going to hop as much.

00:25:10.571 --> 00:25:15.932
So obviously it's going to roll better and you're going to get a more true roll and true to your line.

00:25:15.932 --> 00:25:24.904
You might need to take a putting lesson afterwards to to fine-tune reading greens or I guess our course management.

00:25:25.065 --> 00:25:25.487
You know that's.

00:25:25.487 --> 00:25:26.832
That's my problem.

00:25:26.832 --> 00:25:29.862
It's my putting stroke and everything is dialed now.

00:25:29.862 --> 00:25:36.882
Now I gotta figure out how the hell to read greens right, because I I you know I have a goal of under 30 putts every round.

00:25:36.882 --> 00:25:38.423
That's, that's my goal when I.

00:25:38.423 --> 00:25:41.387
When I put, I mean my goal should be to hit more fucking greens.

00:25:41.468 --> 00:25:50.384
But you know, I, I can control putting the ball a little bit better than I can control hitting a green right now with my game.

00:25:50.384 --> 00:25:55.553
So, uh, I 30 putts is like my standard.

00:25:55.553 --> 00:25:56.881
I know the pga tour.

00:25:56.881 --> 00:26:04.413
They average around 28, 27 and a half per round across the field, which you know is pretty damn good.

00:26:04.413 --> 00:26:08.069
You see a lot of guys turn in those 24, 25 putt rounds.

00:26:08.069 --> 00:26:14.834
You know a lot of that deals with short game and chipping it close and not having long putts.

00:26:14.834 --> 00:26:21.169
You know the more greens I hit, the further my proximity to the hole is going to be, because I'm not trying to chip it close anymore.

00:26:21.169 --> 00:26:29.263
Now I'm trying to read a 30 foot putt, uh, so I know that as I get better at hitting greens, that those numbers are going to change for me.

00:26:29.263 --> 00:26:32.742
Uh, but you know I lost my train of thought.

00:26:32.742 --> 00:26:33.807
Wait, it's your jinx, jinx.

00:26:33.807 --> 00:26:36.963
That's absolutely terrible.

00:26:36.963 --> 00:26:38.388
I have no idea where I was going to go with that.

00:26:38.388 --> 00:26:42.102
Well it's gone.

00:26:42.142 --> 00:26:43.203
It's gone, completely gone.

00:26:43.203 --> 00:26:44.586
It's completely gone.

00:26:44.586 --> 00:26:47.990
I don't even remember what you were talking about.

00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:49.192
How terrible is that?

00:26:49.333 --> 00:26:57.463
Good Lord, I get off on a tangent and it just kept going.

00:26:57.463 --> 00:27:00.970
I was talking about my goals for rounds 30 putts.

00:27:00.970 --> 00:27:02.873
Um, I don't know.

00:27:02.873 --> 00:27:04.682
I'll have to figure it out, see if I can bring it back.

00:27:04.682 --> 00:27:08.712
Um, so we'll go.

00:27:08.712 --> 00:27:19.862
We'll go into the the uh, when you're fitting somebody and you see a comparison to their stock shaft, to the aftermarket shaft, what is something that's going to make you go?

00:27:19.862 --> 00:27:25.868
Yes, you definitely need to see this in your bag, compared to digging with their current gamer.

00:27:27.461 --> 00:27:38.471
Well, most of the time it's going to be that launch and how soon the ball gets rolling and making sure there's no skid and forward roll.

00:27:38.471 --> 00:27:40.748
I mean that's typically the biggest thing.

00:27:40.748 --> 00:27:51.229
But there's a lot of reasons that I might nudge someone towards an aftermarket shaft and and sometimes it just comes down to weight.

00:27:51.229 --> 00:27:55.721
You know, uh lagp, uh fuji, they both make 130, 130 plus gram shafts.

00:27:55.721 --> 00:28:06.030
Um, you know, depending on on how you're building your putter or counterbalancing and what you're trying to swing weighted at, and you know, if your hands are too active, you know it's.

00:28:06.030 --> 00:28:08.665
It's easier to quiet things down when something's heavy.

00:28:08.665 --> 00:28:17.928
Um, you know a lot of guys that that I see come through that kind of yippily guide.

00:28:18.308 --> 00:28:33.723
You know, like trying to guide that on that line through you know, light putter, yeah you know, and um, and everybody's making heads heavier now um about time yeah, so so it's not, it's not quite so drastic of.

00:28:34.065 --> 00:28:45.226
You know, when you throw a heavier shaft in, as it was with the, with those super light heads, you know, then then they were super super light, you almost couldn't feel it on the end of the club.

00:28:45.226 --> 00:28:47.571
Um, you know.

00:28:47.571 --> 00:28:51.211
And then folks that are struggling between do I have an arc?

00:28:51.211 --> 00:29:01.151
Am I straight back straight through, you know, depending on what they want to commit to, heavier shaft might, might do the trick too, and then, I mean it, I mean it, there's a million metrics.

00:29:01.151 --> 00:29:03.825
It even comes down to, you know, how much forward press you have.

00:29:03.825 --> 00:29:08.842
And, um, you know, it's all about delivering the putter to the ball.

00:29:08.842 --> 00:29:16.142
And and like I, you know, I, when I taught putting, I never, ever, you know, taught one stroke.

00:29:16.142 --> 00:29:18.945
You know, a lot of folks kind of try to teach one swing.

00:29:18.945 --> 00:29:31.491
The PGA of America has finally decided that you can have different swings, which is nice, but I won't go off on that tangent.

00:29:33.141 --> 00:29:34.286
Thank you, we've already had two.

00:29:36.585 --> 00:29:43.191
Maybe next they'll do a better job with their fitting instruction to their apprentices.

00:29:43.191 --> 00:29:49.592
But anyway, man, there's another tangent and lost the train of thought again.

00:29:49.592 --> 00:29:56.854
But there's a bunch of reasons to look at an aftermarket shaft, depending on what you're working on.

00:29:58.803 --> 00:30:08.644
The weight is a good subject because I have played, I had my Olsen long neck and it's a very light head and I've never.

00:30:08.644 --> 00:30:18.971
I love the way it feels, but in order for me to get I'm talking about the putter face because it's a deep milling, it's a long neck, it's carbon, it's incredibly soft.

00:30:18.971 --> 00:30:22.101
I love the way the ball reacts off the face of that.

00:30:22.101 --> 00:30:24.207
But it's a very light head and I'm short.

00:30:24.207 --> 00:30:38.186
I I play 33 and a half to 34 inch on on my putter length and so when you have, you know, a short putter, shorter putter and a light head, your swing weight is, is can be way off.

00:30:38.428 --> 00:30:44.186
So I had to lead tape the bottom of that and it's not a huge blade so there's not a lot of room for the lead tape on it.

00:30:44.186 --> 00:30:56.273
And I ended up adding like 40 grams of tungsten to the shaft just to get a little bit more weight in the the putter overall weight length.

00:30:56.273 --> 00:31:02.009
And it would be hilarious because I would say to people I'm like, hey, grab this and putt with it, let me know what you feel.

00:31:02.009 --> 00:31:07.646
And guys that know swing weighting I say, hey, what do you think this swing weight's at?

00:31:07.646 --> 00:31:10.561
And they feel it and they put it like oh, what's that?

00:31:10.582 --> 00:31:24.280
like you know, d8, d9, I'm like, no, that's b6, like what like yeah because you know it's it's the overall weight and it's, you know, not all just head weight.

00:31:24.280 --> 00:31:42.795
Um, you know the the I I heard years ago that the average tour player likes to roll their putters around e, e1 and you know that heavy that's very heavy on the swing weight scale for a putter.

00:31:42.795 --> 00:31:45.669
It's easier to achieve when you get up into the.

00:31:45.669 --> 00:31:48.901
You know 35 and some super tall people that play 36.

00:31:48.901 --> 00:31:55.061
Yeah, I can see where they'd want a light head because if you're focused on swing weight it's going to be more.

00:31:55.061 --> 00:32:03.759
But I tried to manipulate it and bring the overall weight to get that feel and it feels much better.

00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:13.365
But I still want a little bit more impact weight and so I haven't been able to roll that.

00:32:13.365 --> 00:32:17.672
That's why I love Scotty because it has the adjustable weights.

00:32:18.461 --> 00:32:21.390
I have been able to manipulate it back and forth.

00:32:21.390 --> 00:32:22.601
I can.

00:32:22.601 --> 00:32:32.146
On fast greens I can reduce the weight and put the 20 gram or even the 10 grams in there to have a little bit more control with the greens.

00:32:32.146 --> 00:32:34.893
Or if they're slower greens, I can throw that.

00:32:34.893 --> 00:32:54.763
You know, those 30 gram weights in there get it super heavy, up to like almost E2, gram weights in there get it super heavy up to like almost e2, but feel very confident on the greens and I think having a custom or aftermarket shaft in there that is heavy and stable really allows you to play with that a little bit more where you know I don't.

00:32:54.763 --> 00:32:59.108
I don't think I would be getting the same feedback if I had a stock steel.

00:32:59.108 --> 00:33:05.784
You know, 60 gram, very twisty uh shaft.

00:33:05.784 --> 00:33:12.750
You know, adding that much and taking that much weight away, I think I would lose a lot of the consistency with the putter yes, especially if the head's heavy.

00:33:13.663 --> 00:33:14.887
Yeah, especially if the head's heavy.

00:33:14.887 --> 00:33:21.209
So there's so many options out there and we and grips.

00:33:21.209 --> 00:33:22.631
Grips change too.

00:33:22.631 --> 00:33:25.575
Every putter grips is it's.

00:33:25.575 --> 00:33:26.761
It's a huge market.

00:33:26.761 --> 00:33:28.566
Uh, it didn't used to be.

00:33:28.566 --> 00:33:31.371
It was the ping man, that's what everybody had.

00:33:31.371 --> 00:33:37.907
And uh, you know now, uh, super stroke came in and changed the the grips forever.

00:33:37.907 --> 00:33:40.972
Uh, cat, I know that's what they're called, right, fat Cats.

00:33:40.992 --> 00:33:43.806
Yeah, yeah, there's Fat Cat Two Thumb.

00:33:44.861 --> 00:33:47.847
Two Thumb, even Pure.

00:33:47.847 --> 00:33:49.653
At the time they had their big fat grips.

00:33:49.653 --> 00:33:57.539
Right now, golf Pride has a reverse taper grip and I am sold on that thing.

00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:04.834
I did not think it was going to be as well a performer as it has been.

00:34:04.834 --> 00:34:13.630
I've played Garson grips for probably the last five years and I've never been able to grab something and putt with it.

00:34:13.630 --> 00:34:15.387
That wasn't a Garson where I didn't feel comfortable.

00:34:15.387 --> 00:34:18.208
This is the first putter that's done.

00:34:18.208 --> 00:34:19.601
Have you messed around with those yet?

00:34:19.601 --> 00:34:20.222
Yeah, yeah, I don't think.

00:34:20.242 --> 00:34:20.905
I have any in stock right now.

00:34:20.905 --> 00:34:21.746
This is the first putter that's done.

00:34:21.746 --> 00:34:23.068
Have you messed around with those yet?

00:34:23.068 --> 00:34:25.331
Yeah, yeah, I don't think I have any in stock right now, but I have.

00:34:25.331 --> 00:34:28.717
Well, just like the shafts I would.

00:34:28.717 --> 00:34:34.746
I'd throw one on one of the putters in my studio and then folks would roll it and then come ask for one.

00:34:34.746 --> 00:34:35.429
So I sold out.

00:34:35.429 --> 00:34:38.664
But yeah, that press grips.

00:34:40.028 --> 00:34:41.684
Yeah, the, the um, but yeah, that press grips.

00:34:41.684 --> 00:34:57.601
Yeah, the, uh, the, the reverse taper it's, you know it's it's fatter at the bottom than at the top, uh, and I was putting left hand low, like for the past three years, went back to traditional with this new change, working with preston and getting my posture and everything set back up.

00:34:57.601 --> 00:35:04.293
The, the left hand low stroke wasn't helping me where I thought I needed help at.

00:35:04.293 --> 00:35:19.025
Went back to traditional and with that tapered on the lower hand now for me being my right hand, it really calms that right hand down, you know, and doesn't let it get aggressive and shut that face sooner.

00:35:19.025 --> 00:35:25.253
And doesn't let it get aggressive and shut that face sooner.

00:35:25.253 --> 00:35:32.739
And I think the combo of it with the LAGP shaft and the Scottie head, it's just I have found me a combo that works.

00:35:32.900 --> 00:35:36.204
How long has it taken me to do that.

00:35:36.204 --> 00:35:39.429
The only how long I was going to ask is how long it's going to last.

00:35:40.090 --> 00:35:49.784
Hey, I've putted with two putters this year, two the Jailbird and the Scotty, that's it.

00:35:49.784 --> 00:35:50.746
That is pretty impressive.

00:35:50.746 --> 00:35:52.307
That is a record, that's got to be.

00:35:52.307 --> 00:35:59.608
And I've gone out the back a couple times recently grabbed the Jailbird, rolled some putts with it.

00:35:59.608 --> 00:36:02.824
Go grab the scotty, rolled it and went yep, scotty's sticking, scotty's sticking.

00:36:02.844 --> 00:36:04.748
So um, there you go.

00:36:04.748 --> 00:36:07.945
Sometimes you just gotta scare it yeah, let it know.

00:36:08.085 --> 00:36:10.050
Hey, you know, we have options here.

00:36:10.793 --> 00:36:22.409
We've got a lot of options actually yeah, yeah, like that starting quarterback that's seeing the, the backup, getting a few more reps yeah, put, put a little fear into it.

00:36:22.409 --> 00:36:24.467
Help you make some more of those putts.

00:36:27.704 --> 00:36:34.014
So how would you recommend people experience an aftermarket shaft?

00:36:34.014 --> 00:36:36.829
Because a lot of people and I was reading forum posts all day.

00:36:36.829 --> 00:36:39.407

E3: The What, Why and How regarding Custom & Aftermarket Putter Shafts

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