Oct. 11, 2024

E2: Fitter Builder Player - Let's talk Combo Sets

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Golfers, ever wondered how to blend both forgiveness and control in your game? Join us as Roars and Matt share insights and personal stories on the world of combo sets in golf clubs. Picture this: swapping out a stubborn five iron for a high-launch five hybrid, and suddenly finding both accuracy and distance you never thought possible. We kick things off with a light-hearted chat about dodging hurricanes and pondering weather-altering technology.

Our discussion takes an exciting turn with tales from the fitting room. Imagine a long-time customer, known for never buying new gear, finally taking the plunge after a meticulously tailored fitting session that helped him master the elusive draw shot. From understanding unique player needs to the magic of modern club technology, we explore how personalized touches can transform your golf experience. Whether it's persuading a golfer to try more forgiving clubs or balancing personal preferences with expert recommendations, our talk is packed with tips to make your game more enjoyable.

We close with a deep dive into the art of customizing golf clubs, from adjusting lofts and lies to the quirky world of grip designs. Roars and Matt reflect on the evolution of club customization and share anecdotes about how legends like Arnold Palmer once modified their gear. We also take on the financial considerations of custom fitting and discuss the pros and cons of DIY adjustments, even when they might void a warranty. 

Engage with us, share your thoughts, and suggest future topics as we continue to offer bold opinions and challenge the golfing status quo.


We hope you enjoy this week's episode, and if you do, please consider leaving us a review on either Spotify or iTunes. Thank You!



Chapters

00:00 - Golf Combo Sets

10:59 - Enhancing Golf Performance With Combo Sets

23:46 - Evaluating Golf Clubs and Fitting

37:02 - Customizing Golf Clubs for Performance

45:46 - Iron Club Customization and Lab Putters

54:37 - Discussing Golf Topics and Hard Takes

Transcript
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Fitter Builder Player.

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My name is Matt Wainwright.

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You guys know me from the Chasing Daylight podcast here on this channel, Joined by my good friend Roars.

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How are you doing today?

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sir, oh spectacular.

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We dodged a hurricane, so it's been sunshine and bluebirds.

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Hurricanes can be a little nasty man.

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The other night we were recording, we were sending our well wishes to everybody and there was some damage, of course, because you know you get high winds hitting the coast.

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It's going to happen and a little storm surge, but all in all not nearly as terrible as what took place a couple weeks ago.

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So glad everybody down there in the FL is okay.

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Yeah, glad everybody down there in the FL is okay.

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Yeah, still going to put something together through Roars Golf Co to raise some money for those affected.

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And I don't know.

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We found that patent online for the sound waves that can move storms.

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Might do some investing in that too.

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It was so funny.

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I was like what the hell is he sending me?

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There's so many there's so many crazy things out there.

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Yeah, Well, what's crazy?

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What's really crazy about it is that, you know, I I actually shared it on social and um.

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Some friends of mine did too, and and then the us patent and trademark office ended up pulling it off their site.

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Whoa, that was.

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That was a little eerie like oh crap, we forgot about that yeah yeah, oh man.

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Well, you guys have hurricane warnings.

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We've had a heat wave.

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It's finally starting to cool off in ve October.

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Golf weather is finally coming, thank goodness.

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I was out at Las Vegas Country Club today doing some fittings for Callaway and, wow, weather was amazing.

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This morning Sun got out.

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It got a little hot, but you know it's okay, I'm used to the heat, so it doesn't bother me that much.

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It's just it's going to be nice to finally get some good weather that we've been waiting for forever.

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So you will be able to tell.

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This week Roar sounds a little bit more present.

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He's got some upgrades to his equipment, so you sound great.

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You sound great.

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Yeah, I'll tell you what.

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When you got clubs in your bag that fits your game, you kind of fall back in love with golf.

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Yeah.

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So this week we decided you know, this is our first real episode and we were pondering a couple different things to talk about had a couple people reach out about some few things.

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Jeremy was asking about tour issue stuff on this week's show.

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So uh, I told him, you know, hey, we may get into that.

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Um, you know, if we, if we have time today, um, but we, we settled on combo sets.

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Uh, this would be more in a fitters perspective of the fitter builder player.

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Uh moniker for us, uh, combo sets.

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Why don't you, why don't you uh let people know what a combo set is and why someone should go to a combo set, and then we'll get into why they shouldn't get into a combo set and uh, what they should be playing yeah.

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So combo set.

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There's really, there's not really a here's the reason.

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There's a lot of reasons that you might combo a set.

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A lot of times it's kind of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

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So you know, folks are comboing because they want the long iron forgiveness or as much forgiveness throughout the bag as they can possibly get.

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But you know, the better players especially want to be a little more precise, be able to control the ball a little better.

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The spin, you know, fight it, work it.

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And some of those you know borderline game improvement clubs.

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You just can't work the ball like you can with a, with a blade or or a cavity back.

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You know more of that players club.

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And then, you know, a lot of folks think about combo in a set.

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They all they're thinking about is irons, but at the same time, um, you know you combo hybrids and irons guilty you know, I'm sure we'll.

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Yeah, I'm sure we'll dive into that some too.

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I actually have a hybrid in my bag for the first time since like 2010, um well I, I played this past weekend and uh, I was wasn't hitting my five iron.

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Well, I was hitting it okay but not well and that's like my 175 180 club.

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Uh, not a big hitter for those uh listening in, uh, not not somebody that striped it crazy long off the tee.

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So, uh, I, that's, that's my 175 180 club and I just it wasn't hitting it well and it.

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You know, the reason I pulled my four iron and went to a seven wood was because easier to hit, higher launching angle, a little bit more spin, able to hold greens from 200 to 205.

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It's like my 195 to 205 club right now, and then my 6-iron is my 170-ish club.

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But I was like, so I was concerned.

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Like you know, I'm really struggling to hit this club consistently good.

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So today, in between fittings, told julian, I said hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna grab a five hybrid and, uh, let's see what happens.

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And uh, wow, I don't know if it's because I've been working on my swing and it's a little bit refined, but, holy crap, high, long spin, I'm like good grief.

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So it was the, the five, uh, hybrid, the ai smoke, and it's the, the hl, the high launch, and uh, I was hitting it way higher than my five iron.

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I was hitting it just as long, if not a little longer, and with way more spin than my five iron.

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So I was like that was an easy fix.

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So, uh, yeah, I, the five iron's gone, I'm it's, it's yoked.

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The, the hybrid got ordered and as soon as it gets here, five iron, you've been banished to the corner.

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So that's my little, my little combo set.

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But you know, like what you said, a lot of guys want the forgiveness of, of the, the players.

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Uh, you, uh, you know game improvement, players, irons.

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And then, once you get up into the, the, you know the seven, eight, nine, the shorter clubs where the workability is that, where you're talking to workability factor with those?

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Are you talking more on the bottom?

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end of the bag with the four, five and six.

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Well, it's, uh, I mean it can really be any scenario out there.

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You know, I mean, um, most of the sets that I combo, uh, you switch it to seven iron.

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You know it's, um, the folks that really have no business playing a players club and just insist or probably made their mind up before they got to the fitting bay um, that they're going to combo their irons.

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You know I'll swap it at the eight iron.

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You know, just to give them a little more forgiveness than that seven iron, though you know, like me, a little more um, and then you know, top of the bag, same thing.

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I mean it's, you don't have to just stop at two irons.

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You know you could, especially with, like, um, you know, for example, callowaway's Apex line, before the 200 and 300 came out, we were doing a lot of, a lot of combo sets that had Apex pro, you know, three or four iron, and then the CB five through six or seven and and the MBs to round it out.

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So, um, yeah, you can go three wayway.

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You know, strixon also.

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Strixon actually has a combo set builder on their website and they've got the utility irons, the ZX4, zx5, zx7.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So they've got it right on their website there is?

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is the comboing new?

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Because you're I'm hearing a lot more of it.

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You know a lot more people are talking about it.

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You hear a lot.

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You see a lot more people with with mixed sets in their bags.

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Is it something new that is kind of taken over, or is it?

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Has it been around for a while and and people are just now starting to get word of it and wanting to try it out?

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no, it's, it's definitely been around.

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I mean, it's been around a long time.

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I know back in the 90s, you know some of the tour guys were playing you know a couple different brands because you know back then, um, adams used to be real popular.

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Trying to think of some other brands, wilson had quite a stake in the game, always had Callaway and TaylorMade and Titleist and whatnot.

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But some of the guys would have their own combo set because, for example, adams was making more forgiving clubs or Callaway was, and they'd play the longer irons with a more forgiving club and then play the Wilson Blades or the Hogan Blades down in the scoring clubs.

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It's definitely gotten more trendy.

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There's a lot more people wanting to do it, asking about it.

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When I first started club fitting now, let's say when I restarted club fitting cause I first started in the late nineties, um, but when I restarted club fitting, you know we didn't do a lot of combo sets and nobody ever, you know, came to the tailor-made tent and asked, hey, I'm interested in a 770 and a cb or mc combo set.

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They come to the tent and just wanted to hit whatever and then, as I got out of working or, you know, doing demo days and fitting events.

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You know it's towards the end of that portion of my career they folks would come and say, hey, I want to look at combo in 790s and 770s and then, um, here in the fitting bay at shell bay, I get folks all the time that you know walk in, say, or you know they'll reach out before they even book their fitting and say, hey, I'm interested in in combo in the what was the most recent one?

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Uh, it was actually 770s and MCs, you know the new ones from Taylor made.

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Yeah, do you go okay?

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Or do you go tell me why, or do you wait for the fitting to ask questions like that?

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No, you know we, yeah, I mean I get them hitting balls and and we have a conversation about it.

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You know we.

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You know, and really, and that's that's the one reason that I feel like I'll always have a career as a club fitter, even with AI and computers and spreadsheets and all that kind of stuff that you got to fit the person to what they're trying to achieve, and that requires a conversation.

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Um, you know, the one of the best examples I have of that was when I was working for TaylorMade and I was doing an event at uh, I don't remember if it was PGA tour super store, golf galaxy.

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But um, they, uh, they warned me when I got there that my first fitting was a guy who comes in every other day, hits something new, never buys anything.

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And I fit him and he bought a driver and the store manager came up and said what, how in the world did you sell him a club?

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Yeah, yeah, and and it was all because I had a conversation with him, you know.

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I asked him what are you trying to achieve?

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And he says I've never been able to hit a draw.

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I want, want to hit a draw.

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And so, with these head adjustments and the way the heads adjust and they have different centers of gravity and MOI throughout different ones.

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You can help somebody hit a draw for sure, absolutely.

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Of course they're 12 degrees across the ball, they're not going to hit a draw.

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Your draw is going to go really really left.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so so you know, he said I want to hit a draw and I, you know, got him to hit a draw and you know, and the you know no offense to anybody listening that might be a fitter at Superstore Galaxy or one of the box stores, but most of those folks are just trained to hit numbers.

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You know, get them 12 degrees of launch, 2200 spin, you know, and the guy couldn't draw that club, you know, it was something that actually spun a little bit more and, you know, had some draw bias, add some loft, close the face and and he was hitting a little baby draw, never done it before and bought two of them.

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It's amazing how you can with today's tech, in in the fitting or in, and how you can manipulate the heads the max fast.

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That Callaway has Super, super draw bias and it's funny when you see somebody that is playing a club that's not set up like that swings that club and they're like whoa, it's like yeah, there's, there's yeah and you know, then you can.

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From there you can tweak it, you know, and get it and and find out.

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You know, okay, maybe you don't need this one, let's go back to the max, or you know, there's the max.

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There's so many different options now to to dial in players specifically to what their swing.

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But with, with combo sets, what?

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What should people be interested?

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What?

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What should they be looking for with their, with their game, if a combo set is right for them?

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Cause I'm sure there's some people out there that are like, do I need a combo set?

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Some people like, yes, I want a combo set and you don't need it.

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So at what point during a fitting process, would you tell somebody hey, we're gonna, we're gonna mix this up, we're gonna go, we're gonna combo this set and and why does that?

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At that point do you do that?

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Does that make sense?

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I ramble too much yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that makes sense.

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There again is there's just so many variables and so many reasons that you would combo.

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You know, most of the time, I mean just honestly, most of the time, I'm comboing a set because somebody came in deciding they wanted mira.

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You know mb 101s and they have no business hitting them.

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Or you know they want yeah, yeah, um, and so I can at least talk them into.

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Hey, why don't we get throw a little more forgiving five iron in the bag, and you know, and then kind of slide in the.

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I'm gonna combo it down at the seven iron and and um, you know they, you know they appreciate that.

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So I mean, a lot of times it's making the person happy.

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You know which.

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You know my job as a fitter is to put the best clubs in their bag and always give them my recommendation.

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But you know people can be stubborn and it's their money.

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And if they want to, if they want just have got to have something in the bag.

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You know, let's, let's work around it and uh, and get some of it in the bag and um, you know, the big thing for me, though, is it was probably consistency.

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You know, if you maybe your swing is not the best, but you hit the ball in the same spot all the time, you know, then that's, that can kind of play into where you want more forgiveness.

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Obviously everybody wants forgiveness, wants all the forgiveness you can get.

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You know the guys here are giving me hell for playing the calloway tie fusions right now, but, um, I know where the ball's going.

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You know yeah and uh and then.

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So if you're not real consistent, combo set could be, could be good.

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You know, like if you're around the greens or you know somebody's just loves their clubs, loves their swing from, let's say, 140 in and knows what's happening with the ball and where it's going.

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But on the longer clubs struggle with dispersion or whatever it is, then let's look at a more forgiving club, and sometimes it's.

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I'm not always talking somebody out of a full set of players' clubs as much as I'm sometimes talking somebody into throwing some more forgiving clubs in the top end of the bag.

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Yeah, it's.

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I love this ideology of making the game easier.

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Right, there's so much tech out there now with shafts and heads and how they're built and game improvement irons that don't look like game improvement irons.

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Finally, a lot of brands are realizing that.

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You know, golfers us golfers are really finicky people and we want our shit to look cool, and a shovel on the end of a shaft is not what they want to see.

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Uh.

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So, um, taking clubs and making them more forgiving and also making them have the appearance of a player's iron, uh is a big trend going on right now calloway's paradigm line.

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I know calloway, so that's why I'm talking about you, rose.

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You could talk about other clubs that are maybe doing this because you see them more, but the AI Smoke Paradigm irons they don't look like the Rogue irons, you know they are vastly different.

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They have a clean look to them.

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Yeah, there's some offset to them, of course, because it is a game improvement club, but much different than going back five years.

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Know the um, oh, yeah yeah, top, top line's a big one.

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You know the top lines are shrinking.

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Yes, nobody wants to look like said at a shovel.

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You don't want a big, old, fat top line.

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You don't want to see, you don't want to see the back of the club sticking out you know when you forward press, you know, and uh, and you know, to speak to some other brands like mizuno, um, and they're 241, 243, 245s, like you've those, like the 245 to 241.

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Those are completely different clubs but if you, you know, got paired with somebody that's got a set and they're riding with you on the cart, you got to get up close to figure out which one they have.

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Same thing with with strixon, I mean, these, these clubs like the zx4, you know, is, um, it's got a cavity, it looks like cavity back but it it's a super forgiving iron and you kind of got you know.

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Same thing if you don't have the trained eye, you don't know whether you're playing.

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They're playing the same thing Brooks Koepka's got, or if they're playing, you know the little more forgiving version of it.

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So yeah, that's something I was going to speak to a minute ago was, even if the club's not the perfect club for you and I see this a lot in putters but same thing with combo and irons and whatnot If you're excited about hitting that club because it looks good to you, you know, for whatever reason it is, but if you're excited about hitting that club, you're going to hit it more.

00:19:06.686 --> 00:19:07.730
It means you're going to practice.

00:19:07.730 --> 00:19:10.087
It means you're going to be excited to get out there.

00:19:10.087 --> 00:19:18.834
You know golf is so between the ears that if you like looking down at something, you're going to be holding it a lot more than if you hate it.

00:19:20.340 --> 00:19:22.429
Yeah, dan, I just built this set for Dan.

00:19:22.429 --> 00:19:35.748
It's Mizuno's, he's got the 2-2-1s and wedge through six yeah, wedge through six, and then the 4-5 is the 2-2-3s.

00:19:35.748 --> 00:19:36.529
Does that look right?

00:19:36.529 --> 00:19:37.853
It's kind of blurry.

00:19:37.853 --> 00:19:42.981
Yeah, yeah, and he's super excited to see it.

00:19:42.981 --> 00:19:50.102
But he went with, you know, a more forgiving club at the four and five and he's a highly skilled player.

00:19:50.102 --> 00:19:54.810
Highly skilled player, he's a plus two, um, so it's.

00:19:54.810 --> 00:20:12.763
It's funny how I don't know if it's got me being around guys that are getting older, that are growing older with me, but I'm starting to see more and more people start, you know, those clubs that are harder to hit are going to a club that's easier to hit and enjoying golf so much more because of it.

00:20:13.767 --> 00:20:14.208
Yeah, oh yeah.

00:20:14.208 --> 00:20:15.530
And the pros are doing it now too.

00:20:15.530 --> 00:20:23.051
You know, there's there's more woods, there's more hybrids and bags, there's more forgiving clubs and bags, and they're playing for money.

00:20:23.051 --> 00:20:30.113
I'm sure most of us do too, but it's their career, it's their paycheck.

00:20:30.113 --> 00:20:40.688
I think it was Golf Magazine been talking about Freddie Couples and his six or seven woods and hybrids.

00:20:40.688 --> 00:20:47.810
Yeah, I mean, you got to play what fits your game, not your ego.

00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:50.685
Yeah, and that is hard.

00:20:50.685 --> 00:20:52.049
That is hard.

00:20:52.049 --> 00:21:04.993
And I tell you what find a demo day, find a fitting day, go to the golf store and look at the loft on your lowest iron in the bag.

00:21:04.993 --> 00:21:13.326
Mine was a 5 iron and let's see, I have it right here, because we were looking at it, it's a 26 degree club.

00:21:13.326 --> 00:21:24.194
And so we took the 5 hybrid, which was 21, I think 21, 22, and bumped it up to 24.

00:21:24.194 --> 00:21:27.328
So it was 22, 21, 23,.

00:21:27.328 --> 00:21:38.575
We bumped it up to so a little bit stronger lofted, but I could not believe how well I was hitting it, how high it was going and the spin.

00:21:38.575 --> 00:21:46.393
It was incredible and I was like I hit probably 10 shots with my Adele 5-iron.

00:21:46.393 --> 00:21:50.170
Maybe four were like solid.

00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:52.265
I hit 10 with the hybrid.

00:21:52.265 --> 00:21:59.387
Nine were solid and the one that wasn't was a really good miss.

00:22:00.609 --> 00:22:10.320
So I mean just the consistent and that's that is where my game's biggest weakness is right now is my approach shots from, you know, 200, 160 to 200.

00:22:10.320 --> 00:22:15.692
It's just, it's weak and uh, found something that is going to help me in that regard.

00:22:15.692 --> 00:22:24.527
So, and you know what, if I find out that I hit the six hybrid better than I hit my six iron, I'm going to a six.

00:22:24.527 --> 00:22:26.030
I don't care.

00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:27.826
Yeah, what is in the bag?

00:22:28.146 --> 00:22:35.647
is like Julian's got this great thing that he says you know, when we we've been fitting people and, uh, there come.

00:22:35.647 --> 00:22:39.007
Oh, I don't want to hit that, I don't you know, i't, you know.

00:22:39.047 --> 00:22:43.909
Hey, when you're sitting down after the round going over your score, does it say what club you hit?

00:22:43.909 --> 00:22:46.981
Is there a section to mark what club you hit?

00:22:46.981 --> 00:22:49.869
No, no, there's just a section where you total up your score.

00:22:49.869 --> 00:22:51.882
Yeah, it doesn't matter what the hell you hit.

00:22:51.882 --> 00:22:54.628
What matters is that box at the end with your number on it.

00:22:54.628 --> 00:22:57.022
You know, is it lower than the person you were playing?

00:22:57.022 --> 00:22:58.607
Yeah, okay, that that's what matters.

00:22:58.607 --> 00:23:02.880
It doesn't matter if you hit a, you know a four hybrid oh, absolutely.

00:23:03.340 --> 00:23:04.064
Yeah, that's uh.

00:23:04.064 --> 00:23:09.862
I mean, I think it was my dad when I was a kid used to say they don't draw pictures on the scorecard.

00:23:11.787 --> 00:23:20.422
Yep it's not like baseball, where you can, you know, it is like baseball line drive, bloops, single, both, the both they hit in the in the scorebook.

00:23:20.422 --> 00:23:23.027
Yeah, it doesn't matter how you get there.

00:23:23.027 --> 00:23:28.644
So, um so, and with with combo sets, like you were saying, with hybrid you can.

00:23:28.644 --> 00:23:34.022
You can combo a set with hybrids and fairy woods.

00:23:34.022 --> 00:23:37.413
You can combo a set with irons and hybrids.

00:23:37.413 --> 00:23:40.362
You can combo sets with two different types of irons.

00:23:40.362 --> 00:23:46.304
You said you can combo sets with three different types of irons, so on on.

00:23:46.304 --> 00:23:53.663
For me fitting, we have a seven iron that we use and we we have the hybrids and everything that we can we can figure out.

00:23:53.663 --> 00:24:01.460
Do you mainly fit there with just one iron or do you have out?

00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:06.160
Do you mainly fit there with just one iron or do you have, uh, a onslaught of heads that you can have somebody, because it for me it's kind of hard to determine if somebody should be in a combo set.

00:24:06.539 --> 00:24:13.122
You know, we'll, we'll have them hit their lowest iron in the bag just to get a reference point, um, but you know we don't have.

00:24:13.122 --> 00:24:21.174
We don't have a, a five in a mb, you know a nine in a CB, to see the difference.

00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:25.003
Right, yeah, and no, I don't.

00:24:25.003 --> 00:24:40.040
I do have a few complete sets and you know, hopefully don't offend anybody, but I don't know, maybe the point of this whole podcast is to offend people, but in a roundabout way, I'm not shy about it.

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:40.642
We can.

00:24:41.983 --> 00:24:53.671
Yeah, so a lot of times and this has been the case through my entire club fitting career women are a tough sell if they can't hit every club in the bag.

00:24:53.671 --> 00:24:55.823
You know the, yeah, they're hit.

00:24:55.823 --> 00:24:58.715
They're striping the seven, seven iron, you know.

00:24:58.715 --> 00:25:04.961
Or they're striping the seven wood and they're striping the three wood, but I don't have a five wood in that particular head.

00:25:04.961 --> 00:25:05.544
They won't buy it.

00:25:05.544 --> 00:25:08.234
Yeah, and then same thing with the iron.

00:25:08.234 --> 00:25:09.400
So like, well, do you have a nine iron?

00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:10.222
Do you have a pitching wedge?

00:25:10.222 --> 00:25:10.945
I can hit, you know.

00:25:10.945 --> 00:25:11.186
So.

00:25:11.186 --> 00:25:17.344
Um, and, and you know, it's not just the ladies, there's, there's guys that are like that too.

00:25:17.344 --> 00:25:18.666
Some people.

00:25:20.509 --> 00:25:26.426
Cost is a factor Huge vision nowadays, with the price of things.

00:25:27.711 --> 00:25:36.193
Oh yeah, some people are spending $3,000, $4,000, $5,000 on a full set of custom fit golf clubs.

00:25:36.193 --> 00:25:50.770
I totally understand If I was making that kind of investment and had saved up for it, or was about to max out my credit card or spend my entire tax refund check um, I might want to hit more than just a seven iron two.

00:25:50.770 --> 00:25:59.491
So right, that said, I do have, I do have some sets um that you know, I'll order uh, five through pitch and wedge, you know.

00:25:59.491 --> 00:26:07.373
So folks can hit them, but it's usually not a not a inquiring about comboing a set of irons.

00:26:07.373 --> 00:26:14.503
But that said, you know there's, there's a lot of data Mizuno shaft optimizer is.

00:26:14.503 --> 00:26:16.989
It compiles some data.

00:26:16.989 --> 00:26:18.250
That saves me some math.

00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:18.832
You know that.

00:26:18.832 --> 00:26:22.829
I mean it's looking at the way you transition and you know from the top it's looking.

00:26:22.829 --> 00:26:25.660
You know I, I look at attack angle.

00:26:25.660 --> 00:26:28.567
I'm looking at, you know attack angle is a big, a big one.

00:26:28.686 --> 00:26:56.445
You know that as long as I worked for tailor-made, I never had anybody at the company ever talked to me about attack angle and really I mean in terms of training and whatnot, um that's such a huge number yeah, and you know, I mean they touch on it in fitting certifications just to understand what it is and what it means and how it affects the club, but they don't really talk about it in terms of fitting a hybrid versus a, an iron.

00:26:56.445 --> 00:26:59.711
Um, maybe they've stepped up their game.

00:26:59.711 --> 00:27:05.288
I'd be honest that, uh, I don't go through their training program every single year.

00:27:05.288 --> 00:27:20.443
Yeah, I get the highlights and then, you know, we get in the fitting bay, we put stuff to the test and kind of figure it out, because I also have a hard time believing what a company tells me a club is going to do versus what it does.

00:27:20.443 --> 00:27:21.507
And same thing with shafts.

00:27:21.507 --> 00:27:30.775
You know, you know, um, but you know you can look, you can look at those, at those metrics, you can look at attack angle and you know.

00:27:31.398 --> 00:27:37.230
I think, see what they're doing with this club, the fitting club, and kind of base your analysis on that.

00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:39.646
Yeah, you know I mean club, the fitting club, and kind of base your yeah analysis on that.

00:27:39.646 --> 00:27:49.269
Yeah, you know, I mean, if your attack angle is down one or two degrees with the seven iron you're not going to be able to hit a four iron there's, you know, there's just no way.

00:27:49.269 --> 00:27:51.012
You know that's where the hybrid comes in.

00:27:51.012 --> 00:27:56.686
You know, you've been, you've been working on creating a little more lag.

00:27:56.686 --> 00:28:01.932
Yeah, that kind of shallows out your swing a little bit.

00:28:02.513 --> 00:28:04.296
And that makes perfect sense.

00:28:04.296 --> 00:28:12.332
Yeah, I think one of the big things why that hybrid was so much easier for me to hit is one I am a sweeper, I'm not a digger.

00:28:12.332 --> 00:28:20.846
I don't take big divots One mainly because I still have a little bit of a flip at the bottom that I'm trying to eradicate.

00:28:20.846 --> 00:28:39.411
But my transition into the ball like is very appealing to a hybrid strike, where the mass is with that club and how I can, you know, bring it into the ball right now is like the bee's knees, it's it.

00:28:39.411 --> 00:28:48.342
Just, I was sitting there in awe, like I have not been a hybrid person, you know, but the only hybrid I've ever tried to hit is like a three hybrid.

00:28:48.342 --> 00:28:58.509
I haven't ventured into, you know, a five or a six hybrid and when I sat that down today I had nothing made me go, you know.

00:28:58.509 --> 00:29:00.053
It was like, all right, let's hit it.

00:29:00.053 --> 00:29:05.580
And from the first ball strike I was like holy crap, what?

00:29:05.601 --> 00:29:18.465
have I been doing this whole time with this and it's a mental, it's a between-the-ears thing, but I'll get out on the course and I'm 185 out and I'm like, all, all right, here's my five iron.

00:29:18.465 --> 00:29:21.528
Oh, what's gonna happen, you know?

00:29:21.528 --> 00:29:26.982
And it's just that that that negative thought creeps over, because I know I don't hit it that well.

00:29:26.982 --> 00:29:35.209
So now I'm geeked to get out there and go yeah, let's fucking rock this club, because I know that I'm gonna hit it well.

00:29:35.209 --> 00:29:35.891
So, hey, you're gonna be hitting.

00:29:35.931 --> 00:29:42.769
You're gonna be hitting hybrid off the t on short par four so you gonna hit it well, so you're gonna be hitting, you're gonna be hitting hybrid off the tee on short par four so you can hit it a second time.

00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:50.711
Yes, but, as somebody that is a low ball hitter, I hit the ball low.

00:29:50.711 --> 00:29:51.794
Uh, you know, I don't.

00:29:51.794 --> 00:29:55.545
I, like I said, I'm not super steep, um, I'm a sweeper.

00:29:55.545 --> 00:30:04.251
So, um, you know, if when I do try to deloft it it comes out low and the irons that I have and the shafts that I have, it's I hit a low ball.

00:30:04.251 --> 00:30:08.468
And I went down the wormhole a couple weeks ago about low ball versus high ball.

00:30:09.151 --> 00:30:22.183
And it's so funny because on so many different forums and websites and articles and youtube videos, um, aka the the golf rabbit hole, uh it's it comes out to high ball hitters want to hit it low, low ball hitters want to hit it high.

00:30:22.183 --> 00:30:24.890
So that's the way it is.

00:30:24.890 --> 00:30:26.461
People who hit draws want to hit fades.

00:30:26.461 --> 00:30:27.983
People hit fades want to hit draws.

00:30:27.983 --> 00:30:33.240
And it made me go, just play your game, just play your game.

00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.105
Just that's what you do play your game.

00:30:36.105 --> 00:30:37.048
Let's refine that.

00:30:37.048 --> 00:30:47.173
But then I saw this at a high launching five hybrid and it's like you know, and I've got a, a descent angle, that's like impressive.

00:30:47.173 --> 00:30:50.006
I'm like that's holding greens from 190.

00:30:50.006 --> 00:30:50.688
You know that's.

00:30:50.688 --> 00:30:53.075
Yeah, that's what I need.

00:30:53.075 --> 00:31:00.166
You know, I, I don't, I don't need that low burner, that that that comes in hits the green, and I'm now, I'm chipping from the back of the green.

00:31:00.166 --> 00:31:01.781
Uh, I want that.

00:31:01.781 --> 00:31:05.510
You know, butterfly landing with sore feet from 190 yards.

00:31:06.492 --> 00:31:12.292
Yeah, and you know, one of the cool things, uh, I went out to Callaway's headquarters this summer.

00:31:12.292 --> 00:31:21.105
I tried to hit as many manufacturers as I could to go, you know, see their behind the scenes and talk with their fitters to see if I could pick up any tips or tricks.

00:31:21.105 --> 00:31:30.503
Or, um, you know, learn about the R and D and the new products coming out this coming year or that had come out this fall.

00:31:30.503 --> 00:31:50.119
Um, and you know, went to ECPC Eli, ely sorry Ely Calloway Performance Center and and had a few holes in my bags and really, just really three wood, you know, fairway wood.

00:31:50.119 --> 00:32:01.107
I have not had one that I've been excited about since, like Rocket Balls great club and so, anyway, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, um.

00:32:01.930 --> 00:32:06.653
and so, you know, we found a three wood or a couple that fit me really well.

00:32:06.653 --> 00:32:11.246
And then, uh, we started talking about you know I have a three iron.

00:32:11.246 --> 00:32:12.950
Sometimes I carry it would carry a.

00:32:12.950 --> 00:32:18.125
I had a ping hybrid in my bag at the time, a ping two hybrid that I liked off the tee.

00:32:18.125 --> 00:32:30.803
I hit it really low so it really wasn't a good par five chaser, you know, in a long par five, because you know it wouldn't hold the green.

00:32:30.803 --> 00:32:39.094
But so they suggested that I hit the HL, the high launch, uh, callaway hybrid.

00:32:39.094 --> 00:32:48.441
And you know I said I'm, you know it's windy, especially in season down here, you know, south florida, I mean we don't want that height.

00:32:48.441 --> 00:32:58.692
Yeah, because a lot of people are, like you know, texting me post hurricane and or, hey, you're the balls or not the ball, you know I, I see you got some high winds.

00:32:58.692 --> 00:33:01.769
I'm like no, this is, this is winter wind for us.

00:33:02.901 --> 00:33:06.443
You know you got West Texas and South Florida, and that's another thing.

00:33:06.443 --> 00:33:14.049
When you're fitting, you know For me, probably more than most people, it's worth asking where do you play most of your golf?

00:33:14.049 --> 00:33:17.951
You know if they play most of their golf down here, they play most of their golf up here.

00:33:17.951 --> 00:33:22.227
They play most of their golf up north or colorado, or uh, or west texas.

00:33:22.227 --> 00:33:31.310
You know the, the conditions where they and this might, this might be a whole nother episode you know fitting to where you play golf.

00:33:31.310 --> 00:33:43.484
You know soft versus firm, windy versus not windy, um, but so anyway, I, I personally had never even hit the hl, because the last thing I want is a super high ball flight.

00:33:43.846 --> 00:33:52.571
You know, and in the wind down here, and they explained it to me that it's really not a high launch club, that it's the c.

00:33:52.571 --> 00:33:56.039
You know the cg, the, the moi, is a little different.

00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:09.632
It's a little bit different head shape, shape that makes it easier for a sweeper to hit the ball, to make good contact, to compress the ball and thus, because you're hitting the ball more solid, it goes higher.

00:34:09.632 --> 00:34:16.130
It's not necessarily that it has more loft or anything like that.

00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:21.824
Better strike, yeah, it's just going to be a better strike and that's going to get the ball up in the air.

00:34:21.824 --> 00:34:24.431
Spin a little more.

00:34:24.431 --> 00:34:26.887
Spin can be your friend at times.

00:34:26.887 --> 00:34:32.791
It's hard to spin the ball when you're coming in shallow, when you're a sweeper.

00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:49.809
Yeah, and the main thing that we want to tell everybody get fit, get fit and find out absolutely be from I mean beginners to novices, to experts.

00:34:50.871 --> 00:34:52.594
you can never go wrong with getting fit.

00:34:52.594 --> 00:34:56.487
Um, you know, find fine fitters in your area.

00:34:56.487 --> 00:34:59.793
Callaways, fittings are online.

00:34:59.793 --> 00:35:07.371
You can find places they don't charge for fittings, so it's a great way for you to go out, get some valuable information.

00:35:07.371 --> 00:35:11.905
Maybe find some clubs that you absolutely love, but there's fitting events all over.

00:35:11.905 --> 00:35:21.081
Find one, find something that works for you, and I mean, in the end end, we all want to play good golf and we all want to have a good time.

00:35:21.081 --> 00:35:27.181
Scoring well makes you play better golf and it will make you have a better time.

00:35:27.181 --> 00:35:31.853
So there's there's really no downside to the fitting process and getting fit.

00:35:32.541 --> 00:35:36.246
Um, the, the options are growing so much for people out there.

00:35:36.246 --> 00:35:38.992
Uh, the combo sets is is a trend.

00:35:38.992 --> 00:35:40.675
It's not really a trend, I would say.

00:35:40.675 --> 00:35:43.085
I guess it is a trend that's taking place right now.

00:35:43.085 --> 00:35:48.577
But find, find out, talk to your fitter, find out if a combo set is something right for you.

00:35:48.577 --> 00:35:52.530
You know, are you struggling hitting the five and six and seven iron in your bag?

00:35:52.530 --> 00:36:08.250
Uh, could have, uh, a club that offers a little bit more balance, a little bit more stability, a little bit more forgiveness benefits you with those clubs and, like we said earlier, there's so many good-looking game improvement clubs out there right now.

00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:11.329
It's not like it was in the past.

00:36:11.329 --> 00:36:22.001
You've got options for great-looking clubs, so be sure to explore that stuff and maybe a combo set is right for you Now.

00:36:22.001 --> 00:36:26.389
Do you want to talk about people that have no business playing a combo set?

00:36:29.476 --> 00:36:31.284
Yeah, I mean, I kind of kind of touched on it a little bit.

00:36:31.284 --> 00:36:37.246
You know just the folks that come in and have their mind made up that they want a certain combo set.

00:36:37.246 --> 00:36:43.014
Um, the other thing is, you know I've got some buddies that used to come in and have their mind made up that they want a certain combo set.

00:36:43.014 --> 00:36:46.420
The other thing is, you know I've got some buddies that used to combo their own set.

00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:54.400
You know, they found, found a set of of cavity backs at the players clubs that they really liked and bought the whole set at a bargain.

00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:02.331
And then they found another set that was a little more forgiving, you know, had the wrong kind of shafts or whatever, so they pulled the shafts out of the other.

00:37:02.331 --> 00:37:13.586
Anyway, if you're going to build your own combo set, more likely you're going to have to adjust the lofts and sometimes, sometimes even the lies, the way the ball plays.

00:37:13.586 --> 00:37:15.931
You know the way that comes off the face.

00:37:15.931 --> 00:37:18.344
Um and a lot of.

00:37:18.505 --> 00:37:21.360
So that's a lot of clubs that are more forgiving.

00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:34.420
They have stronger loss yeah, yeah, so you could, really you could really cause a big gap between your, your set, your six and your seven if you exactly take a six and set six, five, four out of a set.

00:37:34.420 --> 00:37:42.489
Put a game improvement in, that is more more like a three, four, five loft wise so if you are doing that exactly.

00:37:42.489 --> 00:37:44.067
Make sure that you're getting your lofts checked.

00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:45.601
Yeah.

00:37:45.601 --> 00:37:48.469
So I mean that speaks to get fit as well.

00:37:48.469 --> 00:37:50.867
You know, I mean that's part of the fitting process.

00:37:50.867 --> 00:38:02.960
You know we're okay, we're going to combo that, we're going to make the, make the seven iron or six or wherever you're swapping you know, touch stronger or we might make it, you know, a touch weaker.

00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.242
We don't make all of the more forgiving clubs a little weaker.

00:38:07.242 --> 00:38:12.577
I mean, everybody wants stronger, but you know, just got to do what's right for your game.

00:38:12.577 --> 00:38:17.322
I actually fit someone one time into oh gosh, what was it?

00:38:17.322 --> 00:38:22.891
I think it was Mizuno's, it was the.

00:38:22.891 --> 00:38:31.239
We did JPX and the more forgiving clubs and the pros and the and the you know scoring irons and whatnot.

00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:31.489
We.

00:38:31.489 --> 00:38:35.860
He actually carried two seven irons, wow.

00:38:36.041 --> 00:38:37.894
Well, yeah, well, it's a long story that different yeah.

00:38:38.115 --> 00:38:39.039
Yeah, yeah.

00:38:39.251 --> 00:38:39.914
One from each set.

00:38:39.914 --> 00:38:43.094
So give me my seven iron.

00:38:43.094 --> 00:38:44.076
Uh, which one?

00:38:44.076 --> 00:38:48.463
Yeah, that's funny, yeah, but you can.

00:38:48.463 --> 00:38:50.771
You can go online to most.

00:38:50.771 --> 00:38:54.059
All the manufacturers have the lofts listed, uh, you know.

00:38:54.059 --> 00:39:08.739
And so if you are thinking about, you know, obtaining clubs like that, you can always go on the manufacturer's website, find out the lofts and see where you are compared to what you have and make sure that you get that set built properly.

00:39:10.322 --> 00:39:10.762
Absolutely.

00:39:11.449 --> 00:39:13.036
And swing right weighted properly too.

00:39:13.036 --> 00:39:20.943
Yeah, well, think about 20 years ago, when the internet wasn't as predominant as it now.

00:39:20.943 --> 00:39:23.873
You know, you got all this information right at your fingertips.

00:39:23.873 --> 00:39:24.777
It's amazing.

00:39:24.777 --> 00:39:35.032
Today, you know, we Callaway's got an app that has everything that they sell every shaft, every iron head, every loft and it's so nice to just be able to pull it up.

00:39:35.032 --> 00:39:35.856
Boom, boom, boom.

00:39:35.856 --> 00:39:37.833
You know, hey, what can I get these wedges in?

00:39:37.833 --> 00:39:45.251
Well, you got this, this, this with this lofts.

00:39:45.271 --> 00:39:45.753
You know this light it's.

00:39:45.753 --> 00:39:46.074
It's so amazing.

00:39:46.074 --> 00:39:47.079
So use that information, use that technology.

00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:47.702
Yeah, there's to your advantage.

00:39:47.702 --> 00:39:48.585
There's a ton of tools out there, there's.

00:39:48.585 --> 00:39:52.795
There are so many resources these days that we didn't used to have access to.

00:39:52.795 --> 00:40:08.956
Um, you know, like titleist has a uh, what I can't remember what they call it, but it um, you punch in what shaft you like or you're playing or whatever, and it can make suggestions on current day Like what's out there now that performs.

00:40:08.956 --> 00:40:12.612
Like that I have.

00:40:12.612 --> 00:40:39.663
I mean, I've always had appreciation for what Tiger did in his prime and the guys I grew up watching Jack Nicklaus, arnold Palmer, lee Trevino, gary Player but I have so much more appreciation now looking at the tools, the resources, the technology, the evolution of the golf club, what we have today and what they did with none of that.

00:40:43.271 --> 00:40:44.112
It was like this is your club.

00:40:44.193 --> 00:40:48.061
Here you go, here's, here's the shaft, oh yeah I mean, the main thing back then was your grips.

00:40:48.061 --> 00:40:50.974
Like you, you got your you.

00:40:50.974 --> 00:40:58.536
Like arnold palmer talked about it you know, uh, how much he, what he did to his grips to make them fit his hands.

00:40:58.536 --> 00:41:02.112
That was like the customization back in those days.

00:41:02.112 --> 00:41:04.275
There was no, there was no different.

00:41:04.275 --> 00:41:08.713
You know lie, angles and lofts and and and shafts, and it was here's your club.

00:41:08.713 --> 00:41:13.242
You don't like the way it feels, put a different grip on it there you go.

00:41:13.911 --> 00:41:22.184
oh yeah, yeah, I mean, I've heard stories of guys that were stacking nickels on the end of their shaft to counterbalance before they put the grip on.

00:41:22.184 --> 00:41:29.610
Oh wow, you know, they'd shim a popsicle, stick down the back of it like the line grips we have today.

00:41:29.710 --> 00:41:30.675
The line grips the reminders.

00:41:30.775 --> 00:41:33.356
yeah, yeah, you know so.

00:41:36.112 --> 00:41:44.835
I love it when I do some work for some people and I'll I'll take their grips off and their zip ties you know, yeah, yeah, that was an, that was another one.

00:41:44.835 --> 00:41:53.134
Yeah, I forgot which, by the way that's a that's a great use of a reminder, you know, as a tie works really well.

00:41:54.438 --> 00:41:54.599
Yeah.

00:41:54.599 --> 00:42:13.387
Like if you and then, so you know, I started to say if you like a tour velvet cord, you know, and they don't make it with a reminder and a line you know that you could do that, but they do make a tour velvet cord that has a rib, so and you can feel it, you can definitely feel it.

00:42:13.387 --> 00:42:26.306
You know, I can't tell you I can't tell you how many times I've ordered just regular Tour Velvet cords and then somebody comes back and says hey, these feel weird.

00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:29.898
Yeah, well, I can't remember which ones it is.

00:42:29.898 --> 00:42:33.599
They have the real thin red line on it.

00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:48.152
It's an aligned grip, but the rib is on the bottom side but the line is on the top and I'm used to that line being on the bottom, and so when I built these, I put that line on the bottom and dad was like these don't feel right.

00:42:49.074 --> 00:42:51.621
And I'm like it's a rib on top.

00:42:51.621 --> 00:42:54.893
And I'm like no, the rib is with the line.

00:42:54.893 --> 00:42:57.880
It's like, yeah, not on these.

00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:03.335
So yeah, chalk that up to learning experience oh, there you go.

00:43:03.335 --> 00:43:08.476
Well, hopefully you're able to save the ribs on the right side yeah that was a few years.

00:43:08.496 --> 00:43:10.742
That was a few years ago, though, um, okay.

00:43:10.742 --> 00:43:19.278
So, uh, something that just popped in my head, speaking about different tools that are out there um, have you used the, the Quintec app, yet?

00:43:19.278 --> 00:43:22.302
So I know you have a.

00:43:22.302 --> 00:43:23.344
No, I haven't used the right?

00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:25.193
No, I haven't used the app.

00:43:25.193 --> 00:43:28.481
I've only used the full blown software.

00:43:28.969 --> 00:43:35.253
Okay, well, you need to check out the app and let we'll let everybody know if it's worth a get.

00:43:35.253 --> 00:43:45.900
Because, okay, I, I, they have a device that they sell that you can set your phone up in, and I'm not sure what, how much the app costs, or if there's a price for it or not.

00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:50.501
But, um, looks like it has some great if it's legit and if it works.

00:43:50.501 --> 00:44:01.891
But it would be awesome to do a side by side with just the app, the app and the full Quintec device, just to see you know because.

00:44:03.253 --> 00:44:22.773
Quintec is not a, not a cheap machine, you know, and not no it definitely isn't, but, and that you know that's kind of like when the flight scope Mevo came out, you know, I did a lot of side-by-side testing to see if, hey, this is a good alternative yeah, or is it trash?

00:44:23.094 --> 00:44:23.436
Or is it?

00:44:23.456 --> 00:44:23.797
trash.

00:44:23.797 --> 00:44:25.362
It was trash yeah.

00:44:26.210 --> 00:44:27.554
That's why I don't have one anymore.

00:44:27.554 --> 00:44:32.838
Yeah Well, you got anything else you want to chat about?

00:44:32.838 --> 00:44:37.280
As far as combo sets, Are we good with episode two?

00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.157
We're still logo-less.

00:44:39.157 --> 00:44:39.744
We're still music-less.

00:44:39.744 --> 00:44:40.170
We're still logo-less.

00:44:40.170 --> 00:44:41.454
We're still music-less.

00:44:41.454 --> 00:44:42.659
We're still sponsor-less.

00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:56.625
But Roar's going to work on some logo stuff tonight, so hopefully you know you'll start seeing Fitter Builder player pop up a little bit more with some more attractive appearances.

00:44:57.851 --> 00:44:59.637
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

00:44:59.637 --> 00:45:00.413
I don't think I have too much to add.

00:45:00.413 --> 00:45:01.052
I don't think I have too much to add.

00:45:01.052 --> 00:45:02.436
I don't think I really have anything to add.

00:45:02.436 --> 00:45:04.197
I just like talking to you.

00:45:04.197 --> 00:45:06.679
So if you want to talk some more, we can Okay.

00:45:07.130 --> 00:45:08.173
But no, I mean.

00:45:08.835 --> 00:45:11.907
I think that some things I don't know.

00:45:11.907 --> 00:45:13.936
You know, I was thinking maybe we should do a segment every week.

00:45:13.936 --> 00:45:23.018
It's like what's the most interesting fit I might've had in the past week or what's the most interesting build?

00:45:23.018 --> 00:45:28.219
You know, a headache, a solution, something like that?

00:45:28.219 --> 00:45:34.599
Um, I know you had one recently, um, and you took, we referenced or you talked about those Mizuno's you built.

00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.081
Did you end up figuring out the uh, swing weight issue?

00:45:38.510 --> 00:45:45.804
We uh, one of the issues was Dan had his set.

00:45:45.804 --> 00:45:49.661
It was built long and he wasn't aware that it was built long.

00:45:49.661 --> 00:45:52.217
So he told me standard.

00:45:52.217 --> 00:46:01.317
So I built him to standard length and when he grabbed him and when he picked him up he's like these are short and I'm like you said, standard, you know.

00:46:01.409 --> 00:46:10.818
And so we went and measured his seven iron to this one and it was like, yeah, they were like half inch long, and so I was like Whoa, oh shit.

00:46:10.818 --> 00:46:19.119
So instead of ordering new shafts, we just ordered some extensions, put some extensions in there and the weights are better.

00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:20.041
Now they're not.

00:46:20.041 --> 00:46:29.161
You know, it's like it's flirting with d1 compared to c8, so, um, they are still light heads.

00:46:29.161 --> 00:46:30.224
It was surprising.

00:46:30.224 --> 00:46:36.782
The, the 224s, came out fine, they're perfect, but the, the, the other ones, they're, they're light heads.

00:46:37.583 --> 00:46:42.561
So yeah, you know a lot of the manufacturers do make a light head for a long build.

00:46:44.152 --> 00:46:45.916
And that's what you said.

00:46:45.916 --> 00:46:47.121
I was surprised.

00:46:48.809 --> 00:47:19.423
Yeah, taylormade for example, give me light fitting heads so if I'm sticking a plus half plus one shaft in a head, then I grab the lighter fitting head so it feels more like what they're, uh, what they're gonna get yeah, that's, and that's something that, um, you know, maybe I don't know, like the, the person he bought him for is off an ebay auction, so, uh, I'm sure wherever he got him from, or if he ordered that person, he necessarily.

00:47:19.423 --> 00:47:28.271
But that person that was selling them don't know if they got them custom built from mizuno or if he picked them up at a garage sale or whatever.

00:47:28.271 --> 00:47:32.420
But you, you don't know what's going on with the clubs.

00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:37.300
You know, you just kind of got to start from scratch and and let's try to get the swing weight where it's at.

00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:43.731
But it's interesting that you said that that you know some manufacturers will go to a lighter head for a longer build makes total sense.

00:47:43.731 --> 00:47:44.713
Makes total sense.

00:47:46.016 --> 00:47:51.192
Yeah it'd just be nice if there was a way like with the, the callaway you were.

00:47:51.291 --> 00:48:03.614
I was asking you about this because we we saw this recently they have the, the h and the l on the tour wedges, uh, for heavy and light and and okay, can we do that on anything that's not stock please?

00:48:04.295 --> 00:48:09.927
right, yeah, help help people out, you know, yeah, what was yours?

00:48:09.927 --> 00:48:17.963
Yeah, I mean, what was my most interesting, um was probably the most challenging was reshafting a lab putter.

00:48:18.612 --> 00:48:22.690
You know, they um oh, don't let them know you did it.

00:48:22.690 --> 00:48:28.251
They're gonna, because they'll they'll want you to send it back yeah, they, they make a very good case for it.

00:48:28.331 --> 00:48:39.864
You know, because the whole premise of lab, you know, lab stands for lie, angle, balanced and they got to tune it you know, yeah, swapping, swapping shafts, you can get really out of whack.

00:48:41.914 --> 00:48:49.679
I can communicate with them and work on something and get it dialed, the proper balance and swing weight.

00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:55.463
But most people don't have the resources or tools or connections.

00:48:55.463 --> 00:49:04.974
This particular guy he had rolled someone else's putter that did it themselves and knew that was what he wanted.

00:49:04.974 --> 00:49:13.382
So he didn't care about the warranty, he didn't care about being what they consider properly balanced because he drained everything.

00:49:13.382 --> 00:49:14.931
He looked at with his buddy's putter.

00:49:14.931 --> 00:49:30.244
Um, but you know, most, most clubs, most putters you're, you're heating the hosel you're heating now they'll probably kill me for this um, you got to heat it from the bottom of the putter.

00:49:30.244 --> 00:49:38.076
If you want to pull that shaft out, you got to put the flame on the bottom of the putter unlike the df3, the the big ones.

00:49:38.295 --> 00:49:39.418
Yeah, yeah, yep.

00:49:39.418 --> 00:49:41.643
And so you know cause I?

00:49:41.643 --> 00:49:43.318
I tried three, four, five times.

00:49:43.318 --> 00:49:44.143
You know heat.

00:49:44.143 --> 00:49:50.081
You know heating the shaft, heating that side of the club, cause that's where every other club I've ever built you heat it up.

00:49:50.081 --> 00:49:53.336
And and so yeah, just a little tidbit.

00:49:53.336 --> 00:50:03.972
If you want to do some of your own experimenting, if you want to take a chance at ruining your putter, heat the bottom wow, I would have never, I wouldn't even.

00:50:04.072 --> 00:50:06.177
I haven't even had one in here to do I.

00:50:06.177 --> 00:50:39.820
I have done the, the link, the, the blade, uh, friend, friend of mine, steven jackson had one and he wanted to put a lagp shaft in it and uh, so we put it in and you know, I I posted a video of of the shaft swap and they commented right away better send it back, otherwise it's not gonna work you know, you just send it to us and let us tune it, because it's not right you know it's like whoa sorry, let him know, because he told me to do it so yeah, I totally get it.

00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:40.842
I know where they're coming from.

00:50:40.842 --> 00:51:05.197
You know, and as somebody who has made putters, made wedges um, built golf clubs, you know you don't you give some somebody, you give somebody something that doesn't work right and then it scars your reputation, you know so they you know the, the guy built that putter for you know tickled pink loves it.

00:51:05.458 --> 00:51:13.820
Gonna talk it up to his friends, probably tell him to come see me and and, uh, have me throw an lagp in their lab as well.

00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:16.525
But, um, you know, you get.

00:51:16.525 --> 00:51:20.170
You get the guy that tinkers too much and screws his club up and can't make a putt.

00:51:20.170 --> 00:51:23.117
He's not going to say anything, nice about?

00:51:23.217 --> 00:51:55.179
oh no, absolutely gonna shot talk trash to it yeah, so I mean I'd have the same policy I want to do a study of all the tour players on the major tours, dp, even live yes, I said major tour and included Liv Korn Ferry PGA Tour of all the guys that have switched to a lab putter and I want to see their stats back and forth before and after just to see if you know at that level if it's making a difference.

00:51:55.179 --> 00:52:02.302
I know guys are switching to it because they think it's making a difference, but I'm curious if it is actually making a difference at that level.

00:52:02.302 --> 00:52:09.463
Now, at the amateur level and you know the mid to high handicap level, absolutely think it'll help somebody.

00:52:09.463 --> 00:52:20.039
Absolutely no discredit to it whatsoever, um, but, uh, I think a highly skilled player, that is a professional, you know, as one of the top 300 golfers on the planet.

00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:32.954
Um, I know you get the yips and everything, but I I find it hard to believe here that those putters are improving their game putting.

00:52:34.376 --> 00:52:35.336
No, I totally get it.

00:52:35.677 --> 00:52:36.739
And you know, I.

00:52:38.621 --> 00:52:46.099
I would bet that if you could get a data set of every player that's done it, it's probably not an improvement across the board.

00:52:46.099 --> 00:52:50.114
You know, statistically not, it's just like maybe a section here.

00:52:50.134 --> 00:52:53.943
It's better than there, but yeah, time to time.

00:52:54.565 --> 00:53:01.001
Um, if you think about ricky fowler when he went counterbalanced, who was it that was winning?

00:53:01.001 --> 00:53:07.056
Yeah, yeah, who was it that won, was it?

00:53:07.376 --> 00:53:08.920
Clark he won with the jailbird.

00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:10.295
Ricky won with the jailbird.

00:53:10.436 --> 00:53:13.077
Yeah, keith Bradley won with the jailbird.

00:53:13.077 --> 00:53:19.061
So everybody thinks, okay, this counterbalance thing is the new trend and it's hot, you know.

00:53:19.061 --> 00:53:27.552
But hey, hey, there was 40 guys the previous three weeks on tour doing the same thing and you didn't hear about it because they no success didn't do.

00:53:27.552 --> 00:53:29.215
Well, yeah, you know.

00:53:29.295 --> 00:53:35.728
So it's so just, it's so personal yeah, it goes.

00:53:35.829 --> 00:53:37.172
It just goes back to get fit.

00:53:37.172 --> 00:53:40.601
You know work, or work with a putting coach, swing coach.

00:53:40.601 --> 00:53:44.978
You know, it's just because something's trendy, preston's putting.

00:53:46.541 --> 00:53:47.202
Preston's putting man.

00:53:47.202 --> 00:53:48.452
He's helped me so much.

00:53:48.452 --> 00:53:50.277
Unbelievable, Unbelievable.

00:53:52.161 --> 00:53:52.461
Yes, sir.

00:53:52.670 --> 00:53:55.851
Different mindset for putting so All right.

00:53:55.851 --> 00:53:57.635
Well, let's wrap it up for this week.

00:53:57.635 --> 00:53:59.561
Everybody, or this episode.

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00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:53.260
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00:55:05.141 --> 00:55:08.690
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00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:12.902
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00:55:12.902 --> 00:55:15.376
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00:55:15.376 --> 00:55:17.402
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