E1: Fitter Builder Player Inaugural Episode, Rohrs' Industry Insights, and Matt's Callaway Fitting Journey

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What is up everybody.

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This is different.

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This is new.

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This is very, very different.

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So maybe a what's up everybody is not the proper way to start this show.

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You know, the first thing I was going to ask you is you going to start this one that way too?

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Maybe just this first one.

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So my name is Matt.

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Across the screen from me is my good friend Roars.

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Live from Miami, right?

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Is that technically where you're at, or is it Hallandale?

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Beach, hallandale Beach, yeah, right between Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

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So very south compared to where I am right now in Vegas.

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But this is something new that we've wanted to do for a long time and, due to some recent changes in my life, it's even more relevant now.

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So we're calling this fitter, builder player, and it's because, you know, roars is a fitter, he's a club builder and he's a player, and I'm a club builder.

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Now, I'm a novice not near as expert or have as much you know history with building clubs as Roars does and I'm a player.

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I'm a golfer, I'm a player fittings here in the Vegas Valley, all around town, and it's a side of the game that I'm excited to get into and talk about with you, not only, but anybody that cares to listen to this.

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So this show is not just for fitters, builders and players.

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We're going to talk about things that involve those aspects Fitting, getting fit, building clubs and playing.

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So you know, for this first episode, we don't have a logo yet.

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We don't have any fancy intro music yet.

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It's just two guys shitting the breeze, uh, from opposite ends of the country, uh, talking golf.

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So I thought, uh, maybe a good idea.

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For those who aren't familiar with who roars is uh, you guys all know me from the podcast that joe dan jeremy and myself do each week.

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Roars is a big supporter of ours, so we're putting these out on the Chasing Daylight platform.

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If this takes off and it becomes something of its own, maybe we'll start a whole new show for it, but until we get to that, it's going to be here on the CDP feed so you'll be able to see these episodes here.

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But, roars, why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself and why people should actually listen to what you have to say when it comes to fitting, building and playing?

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Well, I guess the why would just be because I'm pretty entertaining.

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You can take any six to nine month stretch of my life and turn it into a Netflix original series.

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So we get to talk about some of the outside of the fitting bay or the build shop or the golf course.

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Hang on, buckle up.

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No, I've really kind of tamed down here lately, but anyway, you know been a golf enthusiast all my life.

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You know, as a kid my dad would drop my sister and I off at the swimming pool, which was right next to the putt and green, and my mom and dad would go play.

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We'd chip and putt.

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You know nothing, nothing out there more encouraging to get better than to make sure you don't get beat by your sister.

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So I spent most of my childhood on the short game facility.

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And then, you know, played competitive in high school and college and, you know, jumped into the golf industry, played pro for a little while on the Hooters tour, which is now defunct or not around it might be something else might be.

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This might be something else.

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Now I'm not 100 they change names so fast it's hard to keep up with them yeah and um.

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And then you know a lot of folks probably recognize me from strokes, game, strokes, game customs.

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You know I got got started back in.

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You know the early 2000s, late 2000s.

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Basically I couldn't afford what I wanted in a putter, so I figured out how to take one and turn it into that.

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And then that turned into customizing and restoring.

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And you know, you know that story, everybody knows that story.

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You just turn the lights off in the shop one night and said, hey, I got everything here to do my own thing and did that for eight or nine years.

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Went to work for TaylorMade Golf.

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That was my first paycheck that didn't come from myself in the golf industry, unless you count mowing fairways and tee boxes when I was 16.

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You know, couldn't wait.

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Gotta count, that Gotta count that.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, know, couldn't wait, gotta count that.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, couldn't wait to get off the farm riding a tractor.

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So I got a job riding a tractor at least I was getting paid for it, you know, um, yeah, I went to work for taylormade as a fitter and then, uh, was a head pro and assistant pro, you know, for a little while Decided that that was very much not what I wanted to do.

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I had a huge passion for fitting and building and got to do a little bit of everything you know, between demo days and VIP fittings, that morphed into, you know, working PGA Tour events.

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You know, in the build trailer that morphed into working PGA Tour events and the Build trailer, I have fit and built clubs for really high-ranked players.

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Some top players in the world put it that way.

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Yeah, some top players in the world have been flown to events to work on clubs when they get in the funk.

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And then went back to work for TaylorMade after doing the Club Pro thing and then Shell Bay, where I'm at now, shell Bay Club here in Hallandale Beach.

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You know they stole me away from TaylorMade.

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You know TaylorMade always wanted me to either fit or build and sometimes seasonally I could do both.

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But you know I just love fitting and building.

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Um, we can get into more into that later.

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But you know shelby gave me an opportunity to come over here work at one of the if not the most exclusive clubs in the united states.

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Um north america world it's been named on some lists it definitely has gotten some publicity.

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Um, and I've got just this phenomenal nine million dollar facility here that, uh, I fit fit all day and season and build clubs all night, and, um, I'm gonna try to try to cut the hours back a little this year, just be by being more efficient, and I'm gonna have an apprentice this year, which will be be great, and then another guy helping with some of the paperwork stuff, so nice anyway, yeah, so I'm a, I'm a fitter, I'm a builder, I'm a player.

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Uh, haven't, haven't played a whole lot lately.

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You know, had some health issues, surgery this past summer, so just kind of getting back into it he's not bashful about player that, or he is being bashful about being a player.

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He's roars is very talented when it comes to the golf course.

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Uh, you know, he has a tremendous amount of hole-in-ones.

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We've always talked about that.

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Uh, you're known as the albatross legend out at uh sweeten's cove because you had uh, two albatrosses on the same hole on the same day.

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Different pin locations.

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Uh, don't know we we researched it.

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We couldn't find anybody else that's ever done that.

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So, uh, you, you you're a stick.

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You play the game a little bit differently than than most people.

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Uh, you, you're not big on data.

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You're more big on feel and and what feels right.

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Uh, I'm a big data guy, so I think we'll jive well on that you got this amazing facility behind you.

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You know, if this ever makes it to the airwaves, uh, you know we have a the ability to really dial in and dig into some some cool, so we may be doing that in the future.

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Um, but, uh, yeah, very, very experienced uh individual here.

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I love picking his brain.

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Um, I know he likes to give me trash about how much I reach out to him about, uh, help helping me, but uh, um, I know that was you on Joe's post, so hey, did he rat me out, or did you just know?

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Oh no, I knew right away.

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I said hey, who said that he goes guess?

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I said it was Roars.

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He said oh yeah, so very, very respected in the industry, highly talented, a club whisperer, you could say, is Roars, so I'm excited to be able to pick his brain on that.

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Me on is roared, so I'm excited to be able to pick his brain on that.

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Me, on the other hand, I'm a hack.

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Uh different different aspects for how I became, uh, involved in the golf space.

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I um going back to when I started the breakfast ball way back in 2009.

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I was just looking for a way to vent my frustrations about how hard this damn game is.

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I started, you know, I played younger.

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I played with friends, I worked at golf courses but never really got into the game side of it, and playing and playing well is always just something to screw around and do.

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But in 2009, I started playing a little bit more frequently.

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I have some friends that come into town annually and I always wanted to get involved with their games, but I just wasn't good enough.

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So I said I'm going to get good at golf.

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So I really 2009 is when I say I started playing golf, even though I've played going way back.

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I started the breakfast ball.

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That enabled me to talk about the game.

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I made a bunch of good connections writing that blog.

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I started doing reviews for Three Guys Golf and enjoyed doing that.

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That really got me involved with the back end and the marketing side of the golf space, dealing with, you know, VPs of marketing and, you know, doing reviews for companies, making connections with those companies, going to the PGA merchandisechandise Show and things in that nature really opened my eyes to this great big world of golf and I loved every minute of it.

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That's how we got connected.

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Yeah, that's how we yep yep PGA Show out here in Vegas when they used to do it.

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Now that they don't, so thank God.

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A whole other story for another day.

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But that used to do it, now that they don't, and thank god a whole nother story for another day.

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Um, but the that, uh, I stopped doing the reviews for three guys.

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Golf turned the breakfast ball into more reviews because I kind of want to do my own thing with it.

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Um, that allowed me to develop some different relationships and, uh, grow on my social media the way I wanted to A wholly different world now compared to what it was back then.

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You actually used to get views and content out to people.

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It's so tough now you have to pay for everything, but it allowed me to meet a lot of great people.

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I've made some great friends.

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All of my connections that I chat with on a daily basis.

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We're all golfers.

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I don't have very few.

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I have some few friends from years past, but mainly I talk golf with my friends.

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That's who my close friends are.

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Covid came around and I wanted to get some clubs rebuilt, some grips put on.

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I go into Golf Galaxy and they're like it'll be two weeks and I was like no, I'm playing tomorrow, I just want to get some grips foot on these, and so that kind of sparked my beginning with club building.

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From there I started acquiring tools.

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I used my business account for the breakfast ball and started buying some equipment and creating you know the build shop what I have now and started buying some equipment and creating you know the build shop, what I have now Total amateur.

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I have not taken any classifications.

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I have not done anything.

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My my experience comes from trial and error.

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You know I have made plenty of mistakes, I have screwed up a lot of things and that is where I'm learning from.

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Absolutely would.

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I love to take a class and get certified so I could say that.

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But you know it's, it's a garage shop.

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It is a build shop in my garage.

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I am known as the mayor of Tinkertown.

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I love tinkering with different clubs.

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I love throwing different shafts and clubs.

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I love gaming different putters.

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I love different grips.

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I I love messing with swing weights.

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I love messing with club lies and angles and getting it all dialed in.

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Everything in my bag I've built.

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I am incredibly happy with it right now and the club building side of it has allowed me to expand my knowledge in the golf space.

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So now I've got the, I have the background with the marketing and the clubs.

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I've got the.

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You know club building experience.

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Now I build a lot for friends.

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Uh, and then this fitting thing came along with.

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My friend Julian said hey, I think you'd be good at this.

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Now I can say I am a certified fitter.

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I have passed my test for Callaway.

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I am a certified fitter for Callaway, so if there's a Callaway event in Vegas, there's a really good chance that I'm going to be there.

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It's been a blast.

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We were out at a course here in Henderson today.

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It's.

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It is a completely different side of the game that I was unaware of.

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I knew it was out there, but I was unaware of how fun and entertaining it is.

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I was chatting with the guy I was working with today and I said you know, when I go to the range, I'm there to work on my game.

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You know, I'm dialed in, I'm locked in, I'm focused.

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Yeah, somebody may annoy me because it's an old cooter a couple spots down when the whole range is there coughing or somebody on their cell phone, but for the most part I'm locked in With this.

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If we don't have a fitting or we're waiting for an appointment or something wrapped up early, I get to watch and I have watched so many golfers make golf swings and I can tell you this, not two golf swings are alike.

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There are some absolutely unique golf swings out there.

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That makes you wonder how these people even get the ball around the golf course.

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But they do, and that's one of the amazing things about this game is there's not one way to play it.

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There is a million different ways to play this.

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There's ways to play it well, there's ways to play it bad, there's ways to play it slow, there's ways to play it fast, and so that's my experience coming into this.

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You know we got the podcast, that, that the chasing daylight podcast.

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That's a whole nother side.

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Uh, so we're, we're well versed in the golf space and, and hopefully, if we get to a point where we're, hey, let's do some viewer questions or some topics that you all want to discuss, we'll be able to enlighten your life with our banter.

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So, uh, what we're going to do with this first episode is we're just going to uh, you know we won't bug anybody's ears for for a real long time here.

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This is kind of our introduction to what we'll be doing.

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Hopefully, you know garner some attention and go shit.

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I want to listen to that.

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So, uh, we're not going to be bashful about talking about things that need to be talked about.

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You know, we're going to go off on slow play rants.

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We're going to go off on COVID golfers that don't know how to rake a bunker.

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We're going to talk about highly skilled players that are unbelievably talented, that drive people crazy with their slow play.

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We're going to talk about good things.

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We're going to talk about bad things.

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We're going to talk about nice grass.

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We're going to talk about bad grass.

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We're going to talk about playing munis.

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We're going to talk about playing privates all kinds of topics that we're going to talk about.

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But we we've been working on a list of things that we think would be interesting, so I'll fire these off and then, if you want Roars, we can maybe just give a hint of one of the things that we'll be talking about with these topics.

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We can make these.

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Ideally, we'd like to have each one of these as be an episode where we're going to drill in and talk about this, for, you know, 30 minutes to an hour, however long it takes.

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So the first topic that we're going to chat about, or not, the first topic, the first item on this list that, uh, in the future we will be discussing, are the, the best of the hotlets, hot lists, the most wanted lists, and how much BS is involved in those things?

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It'll be hard to keep me off my soapbox.

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So why?

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Why do you say that?

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Well, I mean and not just because I'm a club fitter, but because I'm a club fitter, that's the biggest thing is that these are most of the time off-the-rack clubs, and who fits into off-the-rack?

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I mean, you haven't been fitting that long, but how many stockhead stock shafts have you fit people into?

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Zero?

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Exactly exactly.

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So it's like the best of the worst.

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You know, so to speak.

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It's you know who cares how much people want it.

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You know if it doesn't fit you, it doesn't need to be in your bag, you know.

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And then there's, and then there's a politics side of it too.

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You know.

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You know there's politics involved.

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Absolutely.

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How much is someone getting paid to do this?

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yeah, how many advertising dollars?

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does that company spend with that publication?

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yeah, yeah.

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So I mean, then the little guy wins now and then, but for the most part, everybody knows who's going to be there.

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Yeah, that'll be a fun one, because they're, and what we'll do.

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What I like to do is get some of those hot lists and go down them and discuss and see if we agree with them or not.

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You know, like you said, there may be some that come across where like, yep, 100%, that is on par with what we're seeing.

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All right, optimizing your club fitting Now this is an interesting one because you can go into a club fitting and and be dealt.

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You know basic ass fitting you can.

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You can go in there and get fit to an off the rack club.

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You know, and and understanding what to go into a club fitting and what you are looking for, I think is going to be a huge benefit to people that tune in.

00:18:54.896 --> 00:18:58.182
Absolutely yeah tune in Absolutely, would you agree?

00:18:58.182 --> 00:18:59.265
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

00:19:00.090 --> 00:19:11.663
And then the other side of it is just, you know what you would think is common sense, but even at an on-course facility here, you know, I have people that show up and they haven't swung a club yet.

00:19:11.663 --> 00:19:16.155
You know they come in cold or they don't have a glove or they don't have their clubs.

00:19:16.155 --> 00:19:21.766
You know, it's just like some not so common sense.

00:19:21.766 --> 00:19:25.859
Common sense that that's gonna you know, make the experience a whole lot better.

00:19:26.102 --> 00:19:35.172
You know you definitely want to bring your clubs and we'll have some do's and don'ts, some do's and don'ts for getting the maximum out of your club fitting experience.

00:19:35.172 --> 00:19:37.557
All right, this one's going to be fun.

00:19:37.557 --> 00:19:39.241
Because, this next one, because, oh, go ahead.

00:19:40.791 --> 00:19:40.951
Go ahead.

00:19:40.951 --> 00:19:42.134
I was just going to say that it's not.

00:19:42.134 --> 00:19:50.832
It's not just, it's not just do's and don'ts, but it's also, like between the ears, what you need to go in.

00:19:50.832 --> 00:19:53.378
We'll talk, we'll dive into the mentality you need when you go.

00:19:54.300 --> 00:19:58.550
Yeah, this one is is.

00:19:58.550 --> 00:20:00.777
It's something I still struggle with a ball fitting.

00:20:00.777 --> 00:20:03.864
Why a ball fitting is so important and how?

00:20:03.864 --> 00:20:07.551
How do you go about getting fit to a golf ball?

00:20:07.551 --> 00:20:09.596
Uh, there's, you know.

00:20:09.596 --> 00:20:13.564
If you know, we at callaway have a ball fitting.

00:20:13.564 --> 00:20:16.117
We're fitting you to a Callaway golf ball.

00:20:16.117 --> 00:20:18.517
That's not the only golf ball on the market.

00:20:18.517 --> 00:20:21.419
That may not be the best ball for you to play.

00:20:21.419 --> 00:20:23.758
It may be the best ball for you to play.

00:20:23.758 --> 00:20:39.237
There's a lot that goes into determining what golf ball you should be playing, and Instagram might not be the best place to figure out that for you, so that could be a lengthy one where you know that that's going to be a nerd out episode.

00:20:39.237 --> 00:20:51.938
Not everybody's going to want to listen to how and why you should get properly fit to a golf ball, but if you're someone that is struggling with trying to find the right ball for your game, that may be one that you'll want to tune into.

00:20:52.800 --> 00:20:55.344
Yeah, and playing the wrong ball can actually work against you.

00:20:55.344 --> 00:20:57.346
Yeah, I can attest to that.

00:20:57.346 --> 00:21:00.096
Yeah, just like the equipment.

00:21:00.096 --> 00:21:09.692
If your ball's not grabbing or not spinning when you're trying to work it, just like the clubs in your hands.

00:21:09.692 --> 00:21:11.257
You don't want them working against you.

00:21:12.098 --> 00:21:16.881
No, you don't, no, you don't Never trust an oem build shop.

00:21:16.881 --> 00:21:25.545
This is, this could be, you know, one of those where we just wear disguises and uh, change our voice.

00:21:27.373 --> 00:21:30.578
Yeah, um, because that that may.

00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.624
There's a, there's potential to piss off a few people with that one.

00:21:33.624 --> 00:21:37.934
Uh, but, and and this is, you know, trust.

00:21:37.934 --> 00:21:53.297
That's one of the reasons I like building my own clubs, because I know exactly what is going on with my sticks, you know, I know my swing weights, I know my lie angles, I know my club links, I know the grips, the wraps, everything.

00:21:53.297 --> 00:21:57.303
There's no doubt in my mind what I'm getting.

00:21:57.303 --> 00:22:07.176
And yeah, you know, I'm working with you right now trying to solve a little mystery on a build that I'm working on and, uh, it's tough.

00:22:07.176 --> 00:22:13.433
It's tough and it makes me wonder, you know, if this went somewhere else, would they just been thrown together and handed to the player?

00:22:13.433 --> 00:22:15.699
You know more than likely.

00:22:15.699 --> 00:22:17.060
More than likely.

00:22:17.221 --> 00:22:19.874
So uh that'll be a that'll be a fun one.

00:22:19.874 --> 00:22:20.857
Uh, I we're.

00:22:20.857 --> 00:22:23.417
We might have a few horror stories to share with that.

00:22:23.417 --> 00:22:26.574
Um, so that'll be fun, all right.

00:22:26.574 --> 00:22:28.858
Uh, next one uh putter shafts.

00:22:28.858 --> 00:22:30.810
Uh, oem or not OEM?

00:22:30.810 --> 00:22:32.996
Uh, custom putter shafts, is it?

00:22:32.996 --> 00:22:33.196
Uh?

00:22:33.196 --> 00:22:35.663
Uh, is it really helping you or is it just a myth?

00:22:35.663 --> 00:22:41.843
I'm curious what you see just off the top of your head myth or actually worth something?

00:22:42.972 --> 00:23:06.820
real tech, yeah real tech, there's some, there's science, yep, and this you know, this facility here is what has finally sold me on putter shafts so you weren't a believer before I was not, you know, and and maybe you know not to toot my own horn, but maybe because I'm a good putter and it didn't matter what was in my hands, the ball tended to find the hole, so I I didn't buy it.

00:23:06.820 --> 00:23:23.363
And then, uh, you know, seeing the actual data, the roll data, the launch data, the know, super high speed cameras, and to be able to have measurable advantages, um, yeah, I'm a hundred percent on board with love it it's real tech.

00:23:24.044 --> 00:23:24.790
It is real tech.

00:23:24.790 --> 00:23:27.035
I will attest it's great.

00:23:27.035 --> 00:23:34.296
All right, uh, more into the club building and fitting uh, bounce, wedge bounce.

00:23:34.296 --> 00:23:35.421
Uh, what is it?

00:23:35.421 --> 00:23:36.484
Why is it important?

00:23:36.484 --> 00:23:44.970
And also wedge grinds that could be a lengthy one as well, because there's so many different grinds and you know what?

00:23:44.970 --> 00:23:46.512
It's what I'm finding out.

00:23:46.512 --> 00:23:48.797
You know I I had to learn all the callaway grinds.

00:23:48.797 --> 00:23:54.494
Um, but the the same grind is called something different with different manufacturers.

00:23:54.796 --> 00:24:01.657
You know, Titleist calls it one thing, callaway calls it one thing, taylormade calls it one thing and that kind of is annoying.

00:24:01.657 --> 00:24:04.398
I think it's confusing for the public.

00:24:04.398 --> 00:24:08.961
But you know, chatting with some guys today that I was doing a wedge fitting.

00:24:08.961 --> 00:24:23.529
He actually understood bounce and it was refreshing to have somebody that understands bounce and why he didn't want any playing a hard, dormant course in Nevada that he plays all the time and I was like, yes, you don't, congratulations.

00:24:23.790 --> 00:24:28.609
You know so wedge grinds are can be very confusing.

00:24:28.609 --> 00:24:36.790
So we may dive into an episode on that chat about the different grinds, the different purposes for them and also bounce, you know.

00:24:37.132 --> 00:24:56.039
Uh, down in the south, where it's nice and soft, bounce has a little bit more effect than it does out here in the hard desert oh yeah, yep, and, and the one thing, one thing that I I really like about my wedge fittings is that it's as much a conversation as it is looking at data.

00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:07.894
It's learning, learning about the golfer, how, how they use that wedge around the greens or out of the sand traps, or what, what type of shots are capable of hitting, what type of shots I want to learn to hit.

00:25:07.894 --> 00:25:10.513
So it's, it's not, it's not all physics.

00:25:10.513 --> 00:25:17.391
Some of it is well between the ears or or or uh you know confidence level, you know all that kind of stuff.

00:25:17.411 --> 00:25:20.622
So there's, there's, um, you can't just go online.

00:25:20.622 --> 00:25:28.339
I mean going online and going through one of those wedge fitting tools or selectors, just like the ball fitting selector.

00:25:28.339 --> 00:25:48.596
Um, it's leaps and bounds ahead of where where you and I were when we started playing in terms of, yeah, finding finding the right fit, but, uh, but it's still not all inclusive no, and and it's important to look at your grinds and your bounces for what you use that club for.

00:25:49.116 --> 00:25:50.760
Today I had a gentleman he is.

00:25:50.760 --> 00:25:51.462
He wanted to.

00:25:51.462 --> 00:25:57.123
He had an old jaws uh, 60 degree, and he wanted, wanted to see the new ones and try them out.

00:25:57.123 --> 00:26:03.415
And so I said, okay, you know, explain to him the two different Opus lines and let him hit them.

00:26:03.415 --> 00:26:09.039
And he steps up and he's whacking away and he's, you know, hitting full swings with the 60 degree.

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.917
And so I said to him I go, hey, what, what do you use this club for?

00:26:12.917 --> 00:26:16.777
I said, what, where do you play your sixties?

00:26:16.777 --> 00:26:17.884
Oh, mainly around the green, sometimes in the bunkers.

00:26:17.884 --> 00:26:20.915
You know, the bunkers aren't here, aren't great, so definitely want low balance.

00:26:21.016 --> 00:26:24.810
And I said, uh, what's the furthest shot you're going to hit with your 60?

00:26:24.810 --> 00:26:28.272
It's like, oh, I don't play it any more than you know, 34 yards off the green.

00:26:28.272 --> 00:26:36.078
I said, okay, why don't you do me a favor, instead of taking a full swing at that a hundred yard flag out there, see that shadow, that tree, that's about 30 yards away.

00:26:36.078 --> 00:26:42.022
Let's, let's hit that shot, let's, let's, let's work on what you're going to work on with his club, you know.

00:26:42.022 --> 00:26:43.964
And uh, it was.

00:26:43.964 --> 00:26:47.586
It was amazing Cause he was like why didn't I think of that?

00:26:47.586 --> 00:26:58.438
And it was like so if, if you're going to take a club that you're going to, it's like you you don't hit a driver and go up there and and hit pitch shots with it, no, you, you bomb it, you know.

00:26:58.438 --> 00:27:05.545
So, yeah, if, if you use this wedge for mainly chipping around the green, what are you taking a full swing with it for?

00:27:05.545 --> 00:27:17.384
So that that was fun and and that's another aspect of fitting, yeah, getting fit properly and and I haven't- caught myself in that same situation here recently.

00:27:17.523 --> 00:27:22.661
You know, I got the, uh, mizuno shaft optimizer and was wanting to test it out.

00:27:22.661 --> 00:27:34.401
So I got hopped in the bay and I started hitting some full swing shots with the seven iron and it kept telling me I needed to be in a KBS tour, one 30.

00:27:34.401 --> 00:27:41.615
And it was like I have never fit into that shaft and I was thinking, man, that's just manure.

00:27:41.615 --> 00:27:51.519
And like the, the uh, the shaft that I normally play was like eighth on the list and I was like this this can't, this can't be right, you know.

00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:58.269
Oh, because I mean, I know what shaft I need, my irons as well as any computer.

00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:04.602
And then I realized that you know, I never, ever, ever, hit a stock full seven iron.

00:28:04.602 --> 00:28:05.871
I always worked the ball.

00:28:05.871 --> 00:28:08.056
Yeah, so then the next three swings.

00:28:08.056 --> 00:28:11.611
I I tried, you know, a little high right, I tried to knock down.

00:28:11.611 --> 00:28:13.614
You know, I started working the ball.

00:28:13.614 --> 00:28:17.079
Bam, project XLZ 6.5.

00:28:17.560 --> 00:28:24.421
There you go, three years, right, it gets it gets in your head, it gets in your head, oh yeah.

00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:31.258
One of the one of the toughest things for a golfer and I'll say a male golfer, cause the women are a little bit more receptive to.

00:28:31.258 --> 00:28:32.932
I want to play what's going to help me.

00:28:32.932 --> 00:28:38.425
Guys want to play what is cool, and you know I want to play what's going to help me.

00:28:38.425 --> 00:28:45.050
Guys want to play what is cool, and you know I, I.

00:28:45.050 --> 00:28:49.001
I had a gentleman a couple of weeks ago that, uh, his, his swing speed and his club path and his face angle all put him in a big Bertha.

00:28:49.001 --> 00:28:52.009
And I gave him that big Bertha and he was striping it.

00:28:52.830 --> 00:28:53.632
I want to hit the.

00:28:53.913 --> 00:28:55.013
I want to hit the AI smoke.

00:28:55.013 --> 00:28:56.316
I said, okay, no problem.

00:28:56.316 --> 00:28:57.356
I want to hit the AI smoke.

00:28:57.356 --> 00:28:58.178
I said, okay, no problem.

00:28:58.178 --> 00:29:04.465
So we go get the AI smoke and garbage garbage compared to it, but he hit one that he piped.

00:29:06.471 --> 00:29:10.958
Oh this is the one, and it's like okay if that's what you think is the one.

00:29:11.479 --> 00:29:11.960
That's the one.

00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.102
Now, that's not the one.

00:29:13.102 --> 00:29:16.871
If you want to play good golf, that's the one.

00:29:16.871 --> 00:29:19.076
To impress the car girl if you see her and you actually make contact.

00:29:19.076 --> 00:29:22.852
But yeah so the male ego can have a little little.

00:29:22.852 --> 00:29:28.249
Uh, you know, got to check yourself at the door sometimes oh yeah, and that you know.

00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:30.893
I got to say that, uh, graphite design.

00:29:30.893 --> 00:29:36.201
Not that I want to start out dissing people right in the first preview episode.

00:29:36.201 --> 00:29:38.983
We love you, oh, we do.

00:29:38.983 --> 00:29:40.066
Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:29:40.066 --> 00:29:49.000
There's a billion graphite designs up here on this wall, but they came out with a stiff regular and they label it S R for stiff regular.

00:29:49.662 --> 00:29:50.304
You mean senior?

00:29:50.403 --> 00:29:50.924
I cannot.

00:29:51.411 --> 00:29:54.119
I cannot sell it Cause everybody's like that's a senior shaft.

00:29:54.611 --> 00:29:57.394
Don't bullshit me Like that's stiff regular.

00:29:57.394 --> 00:30:01.914
I promise I'm like let's walk over there to the frequency machine and I'll show you.

00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:04.101
That's funny.

00:30:04.101 --> 00:30:07.137
That's bad marketing, bad marketing.

00:30:07.218 --> 00:30:07.538
It is.

00:30:08.911 --> 00:30:12.662
Okay, clubs set up for different courses.

00:30:12.662 --> 00:30:14.496
This is, you know, for the.

00:30:14.496 --> 00:30:32.848
It's going to be for the travel guys that, uh, you know, uh, maybe you're a member at a different couple clubs or maybe you, you know, you have a couple houses and you you play in the north or you play in the south, or you're a snowbird, uh, east coast, west coast, whatever, um how to set up your boys trip going on a boys trip exactly.

00:30:32.888 --> 00:30:38.516
We just went to bandon and what you play at bandon is not typically how you play at home.

00:30:38.516 --> 00:30:43.314
For us, you know, bandon is very different, uh, compared to what we're used to around here.

00:30:43.314 --> 00:30:53.053
So you know, you change your set makeup a little bit, so we'll be going into conversations about how to properly set up your bag for where you're going, so you can play your best while you're there.

00:30:53.053 --> 00:30:55.878
Oh, go ahead.

00:30:57.281 --> 00:31:09.175
I was just going to say we might also talk about just kind of making the game a little more fun, maybe a seven club setup, maybe bust out some hickories or persimmons Persimmons Joe's on a persimmons kick right now.

00:31:09.938 --> 00:31:10.601
He's loving that thing.

00:31:10.601 --> 00:31:18.911
I love them when to combo an iron set this is.

00:31:18.911 --> 00:31:19.813
I think it's becoming more popular.

00:31:19.813 --> 00:31:20.836
I don't know if it has it always been popular.

00:31:20.836 --> 00:31:22.901
Like I said, I haven't been around club building side of things.

00:31:22.901 --> 00:31:27.361
Has combo sets been popular for a while or is this a relatively new thing?

00:31:28.704 --> 00:31:36.781
I would say um, it's been around quite a while, um, so, you know, even in on tour probably.

00:31:36.781 --> 00:31:43.598
You know, probably more so I think in mainstream it's a little more fad than it is necessary.

00:31:43.598 --> 00:31:48.373
Um, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad thing.

00:31:48.373 --> 00:31:52.411
But you know he talked about ego already and that's what happens a lot of times.

00:31:52.411 --> 00:31:54.994
Is, you know, somebody's willing to admit?

00:31:54.994 --> 00:32:03.797
I really don't want to hit this muscle back blade three iron on a cold day, so I'll go with the cavity backs.

00:32:03.797 --> 00:32:13.303
You know they still don't have any business with the muscle back eight, nine pitch, but you know there's a space for it and there's not a space for it.

00:32:13.303 --> 00:32:13.931
And, yeah, we'll dive in.

00:32:13.931 --> 00:32:15.836
Yeah, my opinion, mbs should not a space for it.

00:32:15.855 --> 00:32:16.236
Yeah, we'll dive in.

00:32:16.236 --> 00:32:21.553
Yeah, in my opinion, mbs should not be muscle backs, they should be called mini blades, good.

00:32:21.673 --> 00:32:23.215
Lord, those things are small.

00:32:24.117 --> 00:32:29.173
Yeah, I have absolutely zero business playing an MB so won't see that anytime in my life.

00:32:29.193 --> 00:32:30.136
Did you ever see my Mira baby blades?

00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:31.201
Oh yeah.

00:32:33.631 --> 00:32:34.575
Those were tiny Little T-set.

00:32:41.258 --> 00:32:43.025
Yeah, it's like it's supposed to be on the keychain.

00:32:43.025 --> 00:32:50.771
Uh, so this is a fun one, many drivers?

00:32:50.771 --> 00:32:53.538
Uh, because my, my very first official golf purchase of legitimate golf gear was the cobra ti driver.

00:32:53.538 --> 00:32:54.759
You remember that one?

00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.112
It had the little, the little arrow on the on the hosel.

00:32:57.112 --> 00:33:00.441
The offset carrier slice with the cobra ti.

00:33:00.441 --> 00:33:08.838
My five wood, I think, has a bigger head than that thing right now the driver heads were so small back in the day.

00:33:09.881 --> 00:33:13.295
Um, and the mini drivers are coming back around now.

00:33:13.295 --> 00:33:14.999
They've become more, more popular.

00:33:14.999 --> 00:33:18.097
You've got the mini burners, you've got Callaway's just doing one.

00:33:18.097 --> 00:33:22.776
What's your thoughts on the mini driver?

00:33:22.776 --> 00:33:23.679
We'll dive into that real quick.

00:33:25.652 --> 00:33:27.638
I think it fits the right person.

00:33:27.638 --> 00:33:32.701
And there's quite a variance of who it can fit.

00:33:32.701 --> 00:33:49.321
I see some big hitters that put it in the bag and hit it off the deck, on on long, stupid long holes and, um, you know, when it's something tipped out 73, 7800 yards, um, I see people struggling.

00:33:49.321 --> 00:33:53.732
It's a good fit for someone that's struggling with accuracy because they're a little shorter.

00:33:53.732 --> 00:33:58.763
Um, you know, got got a little stronger than a 3-wood off the tee.

00:33:58.763 --> 00:34:00.958
You're not going to get as much spin, not going to go as wayward.

00:34:00.958 --> 00:34:14.548
And then I've also seen, you know, some slower, smoother senior golfers that that it just there's just too much club for them to swing a 45 and three quarter inch driver.

00:34:14.548 --> 00:34:26.237
Yeah, and it's some ladies too, you know I've got some members here that husband and wife are both playing a burner mini driver and finding fairways and they're waxing the young kids when we have a.

00:34:26.237 --> 00:34:27.427
Oh, that's funny.

00:34:27.487 --> 00:34:30.199

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