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Thank you.
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What is up everybody?
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Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight Podcast, number 278.
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Unbelievable.
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Thank you so much for tuning into this week's show.
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Dan is back in the house with us.
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He just got back from his trip to michigan with trey.
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Jeremy will be hopping in shortly.
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Joe myself, jeremy, were out at mesquite this past weekend playing some golf out there.
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All kinds of good shit to talk about.
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First, let's, you know, give a thanks to scott russo and unwritten law for letting us use that amazing harmonic intro still to this day.
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Thank you for that.
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Uh, the golf stop also want to give them some love.
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Uh, check them out.
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Indoor track man facility here in West Henderson for uh all you golf nuts that uh want to maybe, I don't know get out of the 110 degree heat that's coming in the next day or so yeah, 112 thursday holy yeah, summer is coming early.
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Oregon's gonna be great.
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Oh, dude, it's gonna be so nice to get away for that time hell, yeah, we're just gonna be beat for two months and then go put our toes in the cold ocean cannot wait.
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A cold little band and sand yeah, a little band, I keep on forgetting to bring it out.
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When, uh, joe and I were in bannon, the solstice scott, our buddy, scott scotty d uh took us.
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Uh, we went for a little drive around town and we went down to this beach and we were walking along this beach and I found a little piece of driftwood and I made it into a ball marker and I heat treated it and heat it up and it's nice and sturdy.
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I keep on forgetting to show this to you guys.
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It's pretty.
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I mean I don't know if I would like take it on a plane, because it's looks, uh, it's like a shank yeah, speaking of shanks, dan, did you put your your handmade little divot tool into play?
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I did yeah how did it work for you.
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It's a beast, it's heavy, so I might try to find some lighter hardware, but it's going to work.
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And they let you take it on the plane, or was it in your bag?
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It?
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was in my bag.
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Yeah, it was checked in my bag.
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I'm sure I'd probably be TSA checked if I tried to take it on the yeah, yeah that had made in prison, written all over it For sure for sure.
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But cool, glad it worked, hey coming soon the.
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Bogey.
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Free 62 shank tool.
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All right, fix some attitudes.
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Yeah, you got a problem with your partner.
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Just fix his divot Before we get into Michigan and all the plays that you played out there.
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Uh, joe, you've been kind of on a rant lately with dog walk talks I have.
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So what's what's going on here?
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Let me get my uh, let's get the little banner up here, not that one, this one.
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There we go, uh, and then I'm going to do the poll question.
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So go ahead, tell what's going on uh, I mean, like you know, there's a lot going on in the golf apparel industry.
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Um, I just feel like there's like too much hype in golf, right.
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I think it's overshadowing the golf itself, which I'm not a fan of because the golf itself is the memories and the moments that you create.
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And I don't know things are.
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Things are definitely a bit overpriced, I will give it to Kith on, some of their things are reasonable.
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But yeah, I just you know me doing my own t-shirts and things like that and researching cost of goods.
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Now, like I don't own a brick and mortar, I don't have employees, I don't spend money on marketing, but you know, even at my cost, I feel like you add $10 to that.
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I mean that should cover most of that, right, and there's like dollars per acquisition of a customer, right.
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So for what they're selling them, for their, their dollars per transaction must be crazy, I mean, because I don't know, it's just there's a lot going on and there's a lot of brands out there that are starting and coming into the golf world and I don't feel like, with all the comments I've read, like I don't feel like they've been accepted yet, like I feel like they flooded the market.
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Like if you introduced yourself to the market in a creative way, into a like hey, welcome us.
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Kind of way, maybe you'd be more accepted and maybe it's just the hype beasts that are all about it and it will sell out for sure.
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But like what percentage of those people that purchase?
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It?
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Are true, golfers, I don't know.
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And it's like golf is at the apex, right Like after COVID.
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Golf is the thing to do and it's you know, schoolboy Q's playing golf, jimmy Fallon and Justin Timberlake are playing golf Not saying that they didn't play golf before, but it's like showcase now and it's becoming a mainstream thing.
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Um, I just think that if you're going to spend money on something, I hope you like it, I hope you want it, not just because your favorite celebrity or you, you know.
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I hope you don't buy into the hype.
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You know, because I used to do that when I was younger I was, I'd buy everything that I thought was hyped and you know, hoping to resell it or like thought I'd look cool and getting older, I just feel like it's a pointless path.
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Just feel like it's a pointless path.
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Now, if you do like it and you do want it and it connects with you, then there's probably no dollar amount that I wouldn't spend, right, like, if bandon created candles, I'd probably buy a band and candle I'd buy a band in, fucking totally you know, a chef's knife.
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You know, like, if it connects with me, like I will buy anything that connects with me.
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So if it connects with you and it's something you actually want and there's a story behind it for you, by all means buy five of them.
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Would you buy a ghost tree shaped chicken nuggets?
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I think that would be fantastic.
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I would love to serve them to my children.
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Bannon is for the kids, man.
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Yeah.
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You know, I just feel like there's a lot of people out there nowadays that are just buying into the culture Like, okay, golf is cool, now let's get into it.
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Let's buy into it because it's booming.
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And if you are not a golfer and I'm not saying that some of these brands aren't golfers, I don't know them, but like there's just too much of it and it's a lot of money, so just like what you buy.
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And if there's brands out there like shout out stick and greens I know golf fathers, you know they're they're sponsored by Sunday swagger.
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Like a lot of things that are Sunday swagger don't appeal to me.
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But if Sunday swagger can sell polos at 60, $70 and they're great quality, really good quality, they are.
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How come these other brands can't do that?
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That's my thing, you know like.
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Is a peter millar polo better quality than a sunny swagger polo?
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What do you think you?
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I mean, you've worn both of them matt, you own, you know well, I don't have any peter millar polos because I'm not spending 150 bucks on a polo.
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I do have some peter millar stuff that I've won.
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You know that are not one.
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That were tea gifts from the solstice and they're the I mean they're nice, they are the best pullovers I've ever had.
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Um and I, I would totally wear one of the polos, but I I'm not going to drop that much money on a polo, but if there's another brand out there that's offering a similar quality, like I mean, it's not astronomically better agree or no?
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Astronomically, not astronomically it's better, it's just not.
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It's not.
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I wouldn't say I don't think there's anything that's astronomically better yeah, and, and that's that's just my thing, If, if there's brands out there that can do it cheaper and I don't know.
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You know it's such a deep dive into a world that I don't fully understand, so I make be completely wrong.
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But I don't like paying full price for things.
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Never have.
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If I'm going to order something, I search for a discount code before.
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If it's something I want, I'm searching for a discount code on Google.
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I'm trying eight, 10 of them on retail me not, you know if one doesn't work, then I have to come to terms.
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Do I want to spend?
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I want to pay retail on this, you know.
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So it's nothing's worse than seeing 90% verified worked and it doesn't.
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Yeah, exactly Most of the time, yeah, but there's options out there.
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There's smaller brands that you can support that might connect with you more than a bigger name.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I was really impressed with them Buy what connects with you.
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If their story connects with you, fucking spend $400 on a polo.
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If you like it and it connects with you, then get that shit I was impressed with that sunday swagger polo.
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I was, too it.
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It performed very, very well.
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I was really.
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I was crazy comfortable in it all day long, had no issues.
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Um, we'll definitely be adding some more uh to to the closet, um, and I like the fact that everybody knew where I was out there on Saturday, yeah, but like you know, it was a great deal.
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Great price point $69 with Rocky's code, 15% off.
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That you know.
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Like there's options out there.
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That's all I'm saying is like, don't just buy into the hype, because there's just as good as stuff elsewhere and you might be able to buy a bean, a couple bean and cheese burritos, instead of buying retail on something that is hyped yeah, all you people that are on instagram right now hey, miles is there thanks, miles, for hopping on.
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If you can go over to youtube.
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We're really trying to get more people over on youtube.
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The the interaction is a little bit better there, you know.
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You get little pop-ups like this where we can share what you're saying.
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And we have a poll question going on over there right now.
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Since Miles is here, cause I know Miles is a artisan Don white fan I was watching.
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I saw the pricing on the tailor-made wedges at two 75.
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Right, so for my understanding, is a set of custom wedges through Artisan fit through you as $1,000.
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And you also pay like a fitting fee For three.
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I think so.
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I think so.
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Miles might be able to correct me on that.
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But if that is the case case, why would you buy some shit that's not fit for you?
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that is you know mass produced um, or you can take a flight down to fort worth and get fitted by the old oven cats and get something that is so much cooler oven cats and get something that is so much cooler.
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Yeah, not everybody has that in their in their golf budget though.
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Yeah, but if you're buying the wedges through the drop that just came out, but there there's, there's no knowledge there and this might just be appealing to newcomers, you know and that's, they're getting them in there and maybe they'll learn as they go.
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But me, being a knowledgeable golfer, and I wanted new wedges, I wouldn't buy those.
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I would find a way to do that and get baked inside the oven, you know.
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A hundred percent.
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That's how much.
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How much are the the Kith ones?
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275.
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275.
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That's, I mean, that's not not terrible.
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Not 50 is what the mg4s are going for each right now, right, or 225, no, no way, it's got to be like 180.
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No, they're more than that, are they?
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Yeah maybe I'm out of touch jeremy mg4s.
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Look them up real quick, see what they're going for.
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On the TaylorMade site.
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I think they're $175.
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Yeah, $180.
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My dad just got one and he I think we were talking about it like $175, but he got a discount.
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How is TaylorMade going?
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to charge more than Vokey on a stock wedge.
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I don't know, they're pretty they've been going up in prices.
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Yeah, I mean everything's going up, yeah, $180.
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$180?
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Okay $180.
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It's the same with Bokies.
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I mean, if you want to get the custom shop Bokies, it's going to be $250.
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Yeah, if you want.
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Rots probably more than that.
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So Steven Jackson was looking at.
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You can get Wedgeworks for $250, right.
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Yeah, steven Jackson was looking at getting getting some JP wedges, and then he found out how much they are and he's not interested anymore.
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Yeah, I mean, miles is the, the niche club aficionado, so he knows what's up.
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Yeah, I remember when he showed up at legends and I'm like who's this guy with this McKenzie bag, with these scratch irons?
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Did he have national custom, or or were they scratched?
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They were scratched.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a scratch iron, yeah, and then he just went out there and put holes in piute all day long but that's the thing I think.
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I think knowledge in the game is like.
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You know, you gotta find it right, so like hankering is getting expensive.
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That's right tailor-made and kith like, and I've been a huge kith fan for a long time and I respect what ronnie feig has done.
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But as you grow deeper with knowledge into the golf world, there are so many better options so who is the kith?
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who's that for who's who is?
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Is that?
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like kith is for the hype beast, the sneaker collector, the, the, the clothing brand you know, for the kanye fan, the drake fan, like those kind of people.
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Right, that's sneaker heads.
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Kith started as a um.
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So ronnie feig is from new york.
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He worked in a stock room at david z.
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I think I bought his second collab back in the day with Asics.
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He couldn't afford, or his mom wouldn't, buy him a pair of shoes that he wanted, and she bought him Asics.
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And then he fell in love with them and he started creating all these like um collaborations with Asics through David Z, which was a shoe store in New York.
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Um, he branched out, created his own store and started doing his own like it's like a sneaker store.
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And then he, he, he got a pair of um pants that didn't fit him Right, so he took them to a tailor and he got them cut the way that he wanted.
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People would walk in the store and be like, yo, what are those?
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So he started selling those and it became a brand Um, he also does collaborate.
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He's done with coca-cola, tommy hill, figure, captain crunch, fruity pebbles, looney tunes.
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Like he also owns, like a kith, treats is an ice cream store where they infuse cereal into the ice cream and it's bomb.
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There's one in la.
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I've had it.
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It's fantastic as a cereal lover, really good shit.
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But it's a.
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It's a sneaker clothing brand, so are are?
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are they reaching, going in the golf space or?
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my, my personal opinion is is, with the boom with covid, probably like he started playing golf, and if you have the opportunity to do things like that and collab with golf brands and you love golf, you're gonna go that route like and I I just think it and he searches for collaborations with out there situations.
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So I mean he knows what he's doing right, but it's for the, it's for the consumer of sneakers and clothing and people that are in the know.
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Great brand Does great stuff.
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I've been to two of their stores.
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They have one in Japan, paris, hawaii, new York, la, been to the LA and New York one and it's really well done inside.
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It's just different and I think golf has never seen something like this with the influx of people Like my generation grew up on Jordans and grew up on Cereal and Looney Tunes and Rugrats.
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He did a Rugrats collab with his brand.
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He did a Rugrats collab with his brand.
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You know that's the 90s kid and he's bringing it to you know things that you couldn't have when you were a kid.
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So it's a nostalgic aspect.
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So I understand it.
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I get it Not for me, not my vibe anymore, but there are others out there that will connect with it and understand it.
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Do you think it's there's?
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Do you think there's a place for it, or is just because of what's been going on?
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It it's now and take advantage while you can.
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Or do you see more elaborators like this reaching out to other brands?
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Title is callaway, paying whatever, and I can see more of it.
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We've already seen it with malbon I mean malbon partnering with a bunch of different brands like uh yeah, they did budweiser, like um I can't think of any more, but I think there is more to come, for sure well, they've done stuff with nike yeah, they've done stuff with nike, um, so has kith kith's done stuff with nike?
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not in the golf world, um, but you know when they've created those relationships and you know, I like I'm not a big fan of like supreme anymore, like I used to love supreme, like supreme's cool to me, um, but I think if, yeah, the vice irons, I think if supreme for those that are in the hype world, I think if supreme did like a golf club, it would be way simpler and way cleaner.
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You know, and, and that's my thing with the kith stuff, it's like overdone, there's, there's too much going on.
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But if, like supreme did it, it would just be clean.
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There'd be like a little box logo in the corner of the heel or up the toe, um, and yeah, miles said sugar loaf.
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Sugar loaf is like is a really good brand to give you like that hype world but also connects to actual like the golf world.
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You know, and I could relate to like sugarloaf, to like supreme, and you know they do mckenzie bags and like, I think for the newcomer, they're bringing newcomers into the world and once those newcomers come in and if they fall in love with golf, they'll find way better stuff in it.
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Maybe it's just an entry point huh point we'll see all right, so there is more to come.
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I do think there's more to come um, here's a little poll question we got going on this week.
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I found out last week how to run a poll on youtube, so, uh, this is this week's poll question.
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Should golf companies uh, you know that deal with a specific thing, like a clothing brand?
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Uh, stick to what they know, or do you like seeing these brands come out with small batch golf equipment at ridiculously high prices?
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And yes, um, I'm referring to malbon making a 1700 putter as oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot about that one geez.
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Yeah, that's ridiculous I mean, and then was it a 35 000 kith golf cart.
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Joe, is that what you're?
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yeah, so 1500 deposit and then 35 total.
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I don't know the brand of the cart, but like well golf clubs, golf carts are expensive now anyways I don't think they're 35 grand, but I mean they're looking at some and I was like you can get a good one for like 17 grand.
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You know, like, do you actually need that?
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I don't know.
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That's more than what my car cost.
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Who Roll King, roll King.
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Roll King.
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Never heard of him.
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So we have to see if they're even a you know putter company.
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And that's the thing right.
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So like if malbon's bringing these people into the game and they're spending 1700, I mean, like you know there's so many more out there that could do probably something better for you, customized to you, painted, stamped, at a lower price point, you know, like twisted necks, like mac made and lamb and olsen, and you know there's so many, there's so many options out there how about that?
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that one piece olsen plumber's neck mallet that he was making today?
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yeah, who is he making that for?
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I don't know me, maybe maybe me, maybe me, I don't know it looked.
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It looked pretty sweet, though, so let's see, uh, how that turns out.
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Um, let's see, hey, what's, uh, what is your guys's thoughts on the Rory, amanda, baleonis or Brenner?
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rumors Renner, renner, yeah, no B, I don't know.
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I saw something and I was just like eh, that doesn't entertain me at all.
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No, even if it comes to fruition.
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That it's true.